Ttochshagg Forfib asked me to forward>>
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From: "scott haggart" <ttocshagg@diskono.fsnet.co.uk>
To: missy@itsdifferentforgirls.com
Subject: Hello missy/friend of ROOK!
Date: Tue, Apr 25, 2000, 15:56
Hello from ttocshagg forfib. As one one of the evil diskonoists i feel the
need to reply to you in person. First i feel Dr Barnes Advocaat has been
genuine all along towards all artists concerned in releasing through
diskono. Dr Barnes said he posted copies of the 7" to Rook. It's no excuse
but we can't 100% rely in transatlantic postal mythology, it sucks! If Rook
never received the records why didn't he get in contact at the time when we
could have done something about it. There are no copies left now you see..
Why could you not have discussed things with us/hardly communication i think
using us as your template for royalty debates/discussions. It makes me angry
to think of how loose you use the diskono/royalty/profit subject. I work 5/6
days a week to finance and push forward various artists and events that
diskono organize/release. No money has been made at all on these first
diskono releases. To say there's loads of cash to be made releasing records
the way we do it is ludicrous. It's only now that were starting to find our
feet dealing with various distributers and how they deal with people like
ourselves. We have stuck our asses on the line to promote various artists
and to express jointly through music etc various ways and ideas. As time
moves on we've been getting the chance more and more to work with artists ie
inviting them to play in Scotland at our Verbrechen events. People such as
Opopop/Felix kubin/Lucky Kitchen and Antenna Farm have had the chance to see
it more from the inside. Were far from chancers and dedicate every moment to
our diskono idea[s]. We promote all the artists involved with diskono way
beyond even our own releases/events. We don't just release music. There's a
lot more involved>flights/accommodation/hospitality/cooking/promotion of
events/posting of materials ie records/CDs overseas/hire of vehicles to cart
guests around as well as arranging fair payment in context of any releases
on diskono. This is not the half of it! As far as i know Rook has been
contacted in respect of the "naked and alone" CD. As for payment of the
first release i'm under the impression Rook had received copies via mail
from Dr Barnes.
Is Dr Barnes a nasty crook you make him out to be!? Are diskono the crooks
you make them out to be!? Am i a crook!?
Now we know unfortunately that Rook never received if this is true the first
release, we can maybe organize some other way or means of crediting him.
First we must make contact with Rook on the authenticity of your public
statement.
Note also/ the "naked and alone" CD is a piece to express the past and
current influence of diskono. The CD introduces our influence via
documentation/live improvisation and combines some previous releases as well
as new inspired tracks from various artists and of course material that we
liked but never had cash/time to release. All the above combined is our
effort at making misunderstandings and artist grievances put right. There is
a process involved producing/releasing any form of music so for fucks sake
give the fucking thing some breathing space. We don't make a bean at this
and oppose all nazi fucks who think music on this scale equals cash and can
be achieved by having just cash for pointless exhibition. It would be so
easy for us if we did have limitless amounts of cash to release as we
pleased... NEVER EAT THE APPLES OFF THAT THERES TREE OVER THERE ADAM!med..
And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the
company lifted up her voice, and said unto them, Blessed is the womb that
bare thee, and the paps which though hast sucked.
soon>ttocshagg forfib
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From: "joel" <ongthorne@onoksid.fsnet.co.uk>
To: ttocshit <ttocshagg@diskono.fsnet.co.uk>
Subject: <no subject>
Date: Wed, Apr 26, 2000, 20:02
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Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 13:05:51 +0100
To: idm@hyperreal.org
From: Missy <missy@itsdifferentforgirls.com>
Cc: "------------" <lis_n58@onoksid.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [idm] Chris Douglas, a.k.a. O.S.T./Rook Valard question.
Message-Id: <v04003a03b529e424214b@[10.0.0.11]>
quoted 31 lines Written by : "Lance @ Inaudible" <lance@inaudible.com>
>Written by : "Lance @ Inaudible" <lance@inaudible.com>
>
>At 10:01 PM 4/23/2000 -0400, you wrote:
>>Hi,
>>Does anybody have, or know of a place where I could find a complete
>>Chris Douglas, a.k.a. O.S.T./Rook Valard discog? I know he has released
>>on a number of labels
>>including Worm Interface, Plug Research, Reflective, Switch, Qlipothic,
>>Phthalo, Emanate, XLr8R,
>>Polyrhythmic, and Dial. Exact info. on these releases would be greatly
>>appreciated.
>
>>I dont know of a discography but I pieced this one together
>>a few months ago. I think it's complete...
><ahem> ), loath as i am to self-advertisment
>
>close but no cigar Lance!!
>
>Chris contributed a track as Rook Valard to our first 7"release -
>Psychogeographic
>X (diskono 01/x) (Aug 1998), this track will appear on our forthcoming cd
>compilation
>'Naked and alone on the Celebrity circuit' (diskono 07)..err thats it.
>
>off to see Kid 606 & CX Dexter & Lesser & Opopop as they amble into town
>tonight,
>jolly hockey sticks!
>
>docktor barnes
>http://www.onoksid.freeserve.co.uk
>
As a friend of OST, I would just like to point a few things out about your
post Docktor barnes. Firstly Diskono never paid Chris any money for the
track that you are refering to. The fact that you A) Never paid him for the
track and never paid him any royalties is completely out of order and B)
the fact that you are going to release it again, and still have made no
effort to pay him any money is actually very fucking shameful. If you
intend to re-release this track on _any_ complilation you had better ask A)
Chris's permission and B) Make some finanical contribution towards its use
on your complition to him.
The reason I write this post is that I know many musicians that are being
ripped off left right and centre by Labels that claim to be so 'into' the
music that they put out. I cannot begin to express my anger at Labels like
diskono. There is a lot of money to be made putting records out. Especially
now that the whole 'IDM' scene has kicked off in the USA. Unfortunatly in
my experince (I have worked for labels and for managers and for club
promoters) many of the people who control the 'scene' are total crooks.
Artists like OST get ripped off left right and centre. 'Oh come play at our
gig' promoters say, the artists plays and at the end of the night the
promoters give the artists a bullshit excuse and don't pay them, 'Oh put a
record out on our label' says the record label. The record goes out and
sells 100's put the artist only gets =A350 and never sees any royalites. I
a=
m
sick and tired of seeing the way in which hard working talented people get
ripped off in this 'scene', so hence this post. So when labels like Diskono
have the cheek to put out tracks that they haven't paid the artist for and
still make money out of makes me sick.
Very upset missyx
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