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i picked up Dr.Dooom out of curiousity and since Dr.Octagon was so damn good. i was very disappointed. an MC can do nothing to redeem a song if the production is shit. Dan The Automator was the shit on the Dr.Octagon album (yet his solo stuff is quite a dissappointment to me as well) but whomever produced Dr.Dooom (appearantly "the diesel truckers") lacks any creativity. hiphop these days is so goddam weak it makes me cringe. current trends of using dancehall rhythms and fast 808s, despite seeming promising, are getting as tired as those fucking fish-eye lenses everyone uses in their videos. and what's with everyone's futuristic persona all of a sudden? which brings me to bobby digital. i'm still shocked that autechre can drop a name like RZA in reference to talented producers. he may have his moments, but overall, his production is as weak as anyone elses. tomas ps. all above statements are true when you disregard the talent of the MoWax crew, The Roots, Prince Paul (though i haven't had a chance to hear his new album yet), and Roots Manuva (who, by the way, is the best MC to come around in a long, long while). np: Yabby U - King Tubby's Prophecy of Dub

On Mon, 24 May 1999, Tomas Jirku wrote:

quoted 3 lines album (yet his solo stuff is quite a dissappointment to me as well) but

> album (yet his solo stuff is quite a dissappointment to me as well) but > whomever produced Dr.Dooom (appearantly "the diesel truckers") lacks any > creativity.

that's unfortunate. i had heard that kut masta kurt (who produced sex style and some of dr. octagon) and kool keith himself were the production crew...but maybe that was confusing it with keith's other upcoming album, 'black elvis.' i can still appreciate decent mc'ing over weak beats, though, and kool keith is miles and miles ahead of your average mc (funny article in the new URB-- kind of a fictional day-in-the-life of keith vs generic mc). still, the production is what made dr octo listenable over and over again. i'll have to check dr dooom for myself.

quoted 4 lines hiphop these days is so goddam weak it makes me cringe. current trends

> hiphop these days is so goddam weak it makes me cringe. current trends > of using dancehall rhythms and fast 808s, despite seeming promising, are > getting as tired as those fucking fish-eye lenses everyone uses in their > videos.

plus suddenly the formula of 4-4 sample, double-time rap over it, and add random jungle-ish beats is getting stale too. you can probably blame that on no limit.

quoted 1 line and what's with everyone's futuristic persona all of a sudden?

> and what's with everyone's futuristic persona all of a sudden?

i think it's a bite off wu-tang (who have always been kinda futuristic) and keith...maybe givin' it up a little to george clinton's multiple personas and forms of p-funk. personally, i'll take an average "space persona" video any day over "i'm gonna sit on this here rented rolls royce and look like i'm angry."

quoted 3 lines which brings me to bobby digital. i'm still shocked that autechre can

> which brings me to bobby digital. i'm still shocked that autechre can > drop a name like RZA in reference to talented producers. he may have his > moments, but overall, his production is as weak as anyone elses.

RZA's kinda fallen off, but he still brought a whole new style to hip hop production that really hasn't been correctly copied yet, even by his disciples. "enter the wu tang" still blows me away.

quoted 4 lines ps. all above statements are true when you disregard the talent of the

> ps. all above statements are true when you disregard the talent of the > MoWax crew, The Roots, Prince Paul (though i haven't had a chance to > hear his new album yet), and Roots Manuva (who, by the way, is the best > MC to come around in a long, long while).

absolutely. the roots and prince paul albums alone mean it's a good year for hip hop. and honestly, how often is there a significant batch of groups REALLY holding it down (like the roots/black star/prince paul kids now, like the native tongues a while back) and everything else is good? honestly, never. the more likely situation is that most everything is bad and one good mc or group is leading the pack (biggie, public enemy, run-dmc, take your pick). in other words, we're actually in something of a hip hop golden age! whoops...this could use some idm content...anybody ever taken a good look at the artwork on autechre's chiastic slide? tilt it back and forth in strong light and there's little drafting crosses and big old compact disc logo sort of hidden in there. r o b

On 24 May 99, Tomas Jirku wrote

quoted 1 line since Dr.Octagon was so damn good.

> since Dr.Octagon was so damn good.

Just wondering which Dr Octagon you mean? I've got Instrumentalyst which I do enjoy, but I'm not into any of his vocal stuff - or should I be?

quoted 2 lines which brings me to bobby digital. i'm still shocked that

> which brings me to bobby digital. i'm still shocked that > autechre can drop a name like RZA in reference to talented producers.

Where did Ae do that? Sheesh!! I got a promo CD-5 of NYC Everything & Do You Hear The Bells and ***imo*** it's ghastly. PS : Feb's Sound on Sound has a Klaus Schulze interview/article which is pretty interesting. I * *** you can also mail me at <lime909@hotmail.com> ***

On Mon, 24 May 1999, Irene McC wrote:

quoted 5 lines which brings me to bobby digital. i'm still shocked that

> > which brings me to bobby digital. i'm still shocked that > > autechre can drop a name like RZA in reference to talented producers. > > Where did Ae do that? Sheesh!! I got a promo CD-5 of NYC > Everything & Do You Hear The Bells and ***imo*** it's ghastly.

"NYC Everything" is on the RZA as Bobby Digital CD, while "Do You Hear the Bells" is just an ok freestyle. (It's also the extra track for the Japanese version.) I liked the Bobby Digital disc a lot -- musically, it was the new twist I'd been waiting for from the Wu -- but it didn't go over well even with other Wu Tang fans. At some point "The Cure" will show up -- RZA's proper solo CD. --Mark __ Burning Rome : SENSELESS CD on Mindfield Records MindCD03 Cathartium 14 > Distributed by Dutch East India Trading, Com Four, and Carrot Top < < http://www.xnet.com/~mkolmar/BurningRome > < MP3 & RealAudio tracks >