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John gave as an example: >>> "Indakasa" and "The Orange Theme rmx" by Cygnus X<<< I was stunned to see these two items (from one of my favorite albums of the 90s, Hypermetrical) on this list. Indakasa is sublime. Many folks here like to slag trance, but now we know there's at least there's two of us who get pilorected by both Autechre and Cygnus X (and some others you listed from the Harthouse/Eye-Q) camp). Hooh boy, there goes the neighborhood! But I would add 444, Clipper and Nuane to the Ae pilo list, and Red Herring by Union Jack. BTW, anyone who digs sophisticated drum programming might want to check out the trancy breaks in Hypermetrical. Cygnus X was a project on Eye-Q by Ralf Hildenbeutel (of the excellent Earth Nation project) and A.C. Boutsen (aka Matthias Hoffman, aka Brainchild and Odyssee of Noises). Skip Phoenix, Arizona USA

On 22 May 99, Skip Acuff wrote re: (idm) Piloerection:

quoted 2 lines Cygnus X was a project on Eye-Q

> Cygnus X was a project on Eye-Q > by Ralf Hildenbeutel

Isn't he Sven Vath? Yip, I'm another one with you on the Cygnus X side of the fence. And I know many people here who LOVE Union Jack's Red Herring, but it don't do it for me. But what do I know? My piloerection list also includes The The's Heartland ... next to Sqpr's Beep Street and The Bionaut's Coconut, T Power's Inti Raymi Remix, 2LS's Enemy Haze and just about anything by BoC. I * np : Reich Remixed - hey, it's not so bad! *** you can also mail me at <lime909@hotmail.com> ***

On 05/23/99 15:07:32 you wrote:

quoted 7 lines On 22 May 99, Skip Acuff wrote re: (idm) Piloerection:

> >On 22 May 99, Skip Acuff wrote re: (idm) Piloerection: > >> Cygnus X was a project on Eye-Q >> by Ralf Hildenbeutel > >Isn't he Sven Vath?

Nope, he's the guy who used to write all of Sven's tracks for him. Rob Codec! http://www.mindstorm.com/codec LogiQ http://www.mindstorm.com/logiq

On 05/23/99 16:44:14 you wrote:

quoted 12 lines phlux@ix.netcom.com wrote:

> >phlux@ix.netcom.com wrote: >> >> Cygnus X was a project on Eye-Q >> >> by Ralf Hildenbeutel >> > >> >Isn't he Sven Vath? >> >> Nope, he's the guy who used to write all of Sven's >> tracks for him. > >Well, if he (R.H.) wrote all the tracks, what merit does that leave to Sven >Vaeth? :)

Um very little... to quote Ralf out of Trance Europe Express "As a musician he's not playing or programming anything but he knows how to communicate with me and I know what he needs if he has ideas." That was like five years ago, maybe he's learned how to use a groovebox or something since then ;) Rob Codec! http://www.mindstorm.com/codec LogiQ http://www.mindstorm.com/logiq

Excerpts from mail: 23-May-99 Re: (idm) Piloerection by phlux@ix.netcom.com

quoted 4 lines Um very little... to quote Ralf out of Trance Europe Express "As a musician

> Um very little... to quote Ralf out of Trance Europe Express "As a musician > he's not playing or programming anything but he knows how to communicate with > me and I know what he needs if he has ideas." That was like five years > ago, maybe he's learned how to use a groovebox or something since then ;)

If 'Fusion', Sven Vath's new album, is any indication of his programming skills, I'd say the guy has some talent. The album isn't perfect, but there's some wonderful tunes on there.... Kinda makes me wonder why I didn't take it out of the shrinkwrap until a week ago..... Aaron

would this be the case for dj rap?

quoted 1 line It is common practice for a dj to team up with an engineer for a

> It is common practice for a dj to team up with an engineer for a

session, knock out

quoted 5 lines a track in a night and put it out under the name of the DJ because he or

>a track in a night and put it out under the name of the DJ because he or >she is the one that the punters will recognize. In the early days, it >wasn't really talked about and most people didn't know, but things are >starting to change with the engineer getting full title credit and >respect due.

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matthew wrote:

quoted 1 line would this be the case for dj rap?

> would this be the case for dj rap?

Yes. She's used a few different engineers, the main one being Pete Parsons of 'voyager' fame. Here's a few others for those interested, with the artist, engineer and labels they recorded on. Keep in mind that this list is off the top of my head and is only for three people... Ed Rush & Optical (Virus, V, Metalheadz, 31, Talkin Loud, RAM) Ed Rush & Nico (No U turn, Prototype, Metalheadz, Emotif) Ed Rush & Pete Parsons (Lucky Spin) Ed Rush & Dom Angus (Prototype, Metalheadz) Ed Rush & Matrix (East Side) Ed Rush & Rymetyme (Virus) Trace & Pete Parsons (Lucky Spin, Emotif, Dsci4) Trace & Nico (No U turn, Emotif, Lucky Spin) Trace & Dom (Prototype) Trace & Optical (Virus, Prototype) Trace & Rymetyme (Dsci4) Fierce & Nico (No U Turn) Fierce & Dom (Metro) Fierce & Optical (Virus, Moving Shadow, Dsci4, Renegade Hardware, 31) Fierce & Future Forces (Renegade Hardware) Then you have combos of the three: Ed Rush, Fierce & Nico (No U turn, Prototype) Ed Rush, Fierce & Optical (Virus, Prototype, Metro, 31) Ed Rush, Trace & Nico (No U turn) Ed Rush, Trace & Optical (Virus) And last but not least: Ed Rush, Trace, Fierce, Nico & Optical (No U turn) Pretty crazy shit if you start to think about it...The thing that confuses the whole enchilada is that up until aprox 3 years ago, most of these releases were by the first name in the list, with the second getting small print 'engineering' credits. Fortunately, things have changed but artists like Rap, Goldie & Grooverider still insist on *just* their name on the title, when in truth they are using the amazing engineering/song writing talents of people such as Rob Playford, Dillinja, Optical, Matrix, etc. I guess the bigger the ego, the less you want to share the credit... peace out, brock

On Sun, 23 May 1999, Brock Suter wrote:

quoted 5 lines Fortunately, things have changed but artists like Rap, Goldie &

> Fortunately, things have changed but artists like Rap, Goldie & > Grooverider still insist on *just* their name on the title, when in > truth they are using the amazing engineering/song writing talents of > people such as Rob Playford, Dillinja, Optical, Matrix, etc. >

I think it oversimplifies things to say that the DJ name on a track means that the DJ fronts for the producer, who does the actual work. I've done collaborations with DJs who don't have the studio skills to bust tracks on their own, and my experience is that this can be a very fruitful combination. I like working with guys who have strong ideas for samples and structure of tracks. Doing the geek-tech thing is second nature to me now, and being able to focus on that end of things and let someone else come up with the ideas can be very productive. On the other hand if you read between the lines about people like Goldie, it seems to me that he really doesn't do very much on some of the tracks released under his name. In fact, in interviews with Rob Playford, when Goldie came to his studio for the first time was a floppy of sequences that he got from somebody else...

ChairCrusher wrote:

quoted 8 lines I think it oversimplifies things to say that the DJ name on a track

> I think it oversimplifies things to say that the DJ name on a track > means that the DJ fronts for the producer, who does the actual work. > I've done collaborations with DJs who don't have the studio skills to > bust tracks on their own, and my experience is that this can be a very > fruitful combination. I like working with guys who have strong ideas > for samples and structure of tracks. Doing the geek-tech thing is > second nature to me now, and being able to focus on that end of things > and let someone else come up with the ideas can be very productive.

I agree. I think I said the same thing in the first post about this subject.

quoted 5 lines On the other hand if you read between the lines about people like Goldie,

> On the other hand if you read between the lines about people like Goldie, > it seems to me that he really doesn't do very much on some of the tracks > released under his name. In fact, in interviews with Rob Playford, when > Goldie came to his studio for the first time was a floppy of sequences > that he got from somebody else...

I remember someone (may have been optical) telling me that goldie came into his studio one night with a drawing on a napkin of a seascape with little stick figure birds flying around and told him that's how he wanted the bass to sound. :-) brock

quoted 12 lines On the other hand if you read between the lines about people like Goldie,

> > On the other hand if you read between the lines about people like Goldie, > > it seems to me that he really doesn't do very much on some of the tracks > > released under his name. In fact, in interviews with Rob Playford, when > > Goldie came to his studio for the first time was a floppy of sequences > > that he got from somebody else... > > I remember someone (may have been optical) telling me that goldie came > into his studio one night with a drawing on a napkin of a seascape with > little stick figure birds flying around and told him that's how he > wanted the bass to sound. > > :-)

That's actually really cool. Which reminds me - anyone up for a bit of ghost writing/producing? :) I'll give plenty of credit. :)