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1999-05-11 16:24Moonlight Re: (idm) politicks
1999-05-11 18:09david turgeon Re: (idm) politicks
└─ 1999-05-11 21:39Moonlight (idm) coldcut and agit prop
1999-05-12 13:57david turgeon (idm) propaganda & root; was: coldcut and agit prop
└─ 1999-05-12 15:21Moonlight Re: (idm) propaganda & root
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1999-05-11 16:24Moonlight>those disgressions aside, what to do as far as political music goes? I think that Coldcut
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quoted 1 line those disgressions aside, what to do as far as political music goes?>those disgressions aside, what to do as far as political music goes?
I think that Coldcut does quite a good job on "Pan Opticon." I'm not quite sure if that's one of your "sparks", or more. The song has a lot of resonance here where a bunch of people are protesting a relocation of a highway onto sacred ground to some Native Americans. "This is what you do when they come to take you out of your house..." exactly. _________________________________ Adam Roesch / roesch@augsburg.edu Augsburg College / Minneapolis / MN / USA Visit my Fila Brazillia/Pork Recordings fan site: http://dogbert.augsburg.edu/~roesch/pork/ "The only disease we need in our blood is love" TRICKY
1999-05-11 18:09david turgeon> >those disgressions aside, what to do as far as political music goes? > I think that Col
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quoted 6 lines those disgressions aside, what to do as far as political music goes?> >those disgressions aside, what to do as far as political music goes? > I think that Coldcut does quite a good job on "Pan Opticon." I'm not quite > sure if that's one of your "sparks", or more. The song has a lot of > resonance here where a bunch of people are protesting a relocation of a > highway onto sacred ground to some Native Americans. "This is what you do > when they come to take you out of your house..." exactly.
how is the song built? what makes it political/ideological? -- david turgeon at http://www.notype.com
1999-05-11 21:39Moonlight>how is the song built? what makes it political/ideological? Starts with a solemn, somber
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quoted 1 line how is the song built? what makes it political/ideological?>how is the song built? what makes it political/ideological?
Starts with a solemn, somber groove and many small snippets of voices, people saying things like "Guilty of violence agaisnt the earth" "all that is left is a single question: at which tree do we stop?" "all the younger geneartions here they've all got your number. you're obsolete." The song builds, breaks down, more political uprising vocal snippets, the song builds again to its height. Protests, people screaming. "Till the next time a tree gets in the way of progress." Great. The video is even better, with the actual footage of people protesting, trying to keep thier neighborhoods from being destroyed and police trying to evict them. Listening to it, i now wish that Takemura would have chosen this track to remix. Timber is in the same vein, a though more fun, but with a message that really only comes from the liner notes or video. All the sounds come from forests, deforestation footage, etc. The "drums" are from people cutting down trees by axe, "guitars" are chainsaws, and the vocal is from a woman from a rainforest. Atomic Moog 2000 is an anti-nuke song, with vocal snippets like "we can destroy them and contaminate them" "i made the run, let the bomb go, that was my greatest thrill" "atomic military buildup can be reversed" "outlaw the bomb" Boot the System (on single only) contains computer-generated lyrics (i forget the program, but rdj uses it for the respect list) about "genocide" and "babylon system" and asks "why do our governments promote war?" "Weapons they sell...to make this whole planet hell." According to liner notes, dedicated to CAAT (Campaign Against the Arms Trade). And on the Jello Biafra song "every home a prison", the politics are all from Jello's rant.
quoted 2 lines weren't "Pan Opticon" and "Timber" done in tandem with a Greenpea>weren't "Pan Opticon" and "Timber" done in tandem with a Greenpeace video >project?
Not Pan Opticon as far as the liner notes show, but both the singles for "Timber" and "Atomic Moog 2000" are dedicated to greenpeace.
quoted 2 lines too bad i don't like coldcut that much. i don't see much of a point in>too bad i don't like coldcut that much. i don't see much of a point in >getting music just for the free propaganda. :) actually i wonder who would.
Well, i bought "You've got the fucking power" (DHR comp) even though i generally hate their music. But that had other factors besides their funny ideology: only $.99, annoys roomies more than me, hope that there was a great alec empire song on it. There wasn't. np: Thurston Moore "Root" Alec Empire remix _________________________________ Adam Roesch / roesch@augsburg.edu Augsburg College / Minneapolis / MN / USA Visit my Fila Brazillia/Pork Recordings fan site: http://dogbert.augsburg.edu/~roesch/pork/ "The only disease we need in our blood is love" TRICKY
1999-05-12 13:57david turgeon> Well, i bought "You've got the fucking power" (DHR comp) even though i > generally hate
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quoted 4 lines Well, i bought "You've got the fucking power" (DHR comp) even though i> Well, i bought "You've got the fucking power" (DHR comp) even though i > generally hate their music. But that had other factors besides their funny > ideology: only $.99, annoys roomies more than me, hope that there was a > great alec empire song on it. There wasn't.
so perhaps we should just go back at our desks & concentrate on the music. :)
quoted 1 line np: Thurston Moore "Root" Alec Empire remix> np: Thurston Moore "Root" Alec Empire remix
i got bored of that one after 3 listens. (the alec empire remix, that is). what's your favorite track on this disc? i would say the luke vibert & third eye foundation tracks are tops, although some of the more freeform ones are nice too (although quite sketchy & sometimes a bit pointless). -- david turgeon at http://www.notype.com
1999-05-12 15:21Moonlight>> np: Thurston Moore "Root" Alec Empire remix >i got bored of that one after 3 listens. (
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quoted 3 lines np: Thurston Moore "Root" Alec Empire remix>> np: Thurston Moore "Root" Alec Empire remix >i got bored of that one after 3 listens. (the alec empire remix, that >is). what's your favorite track on this disc?
My favorite track? I don't know, i've been trying to get a feel for individual tracks but really can't, seeing as the number light on my CD player is burnt out, so i just go along with it and have to judge it as one piece. I like the fact that "Schizophrenia" shows up (love that song and album), but the mix of it isn't that great, the mix plays better in this mess of thurston-related sound than alone. Perhaps in a few months i'll get a better feel for who's who (Like i've done on the Peter thomas remix CD). (interesting side note: I just lent away about 1/6th (~125) of my Cd collection to my gf's littlest (13 year old) sister. I so wanted to give her "sister" but the lines "she's just a bitch" and "Do you want to fuck?" put it out of the running. I can't wait to see what she thinks of Amber, ICBYD, SAWII, lunatic harness, and Orbus Terrarum though. And two pages. Wish i could remember what else i lent her.) As for alec empire, i don't know why i bother with him. I keep thinking of the song "suicide" and hoping i'll hear something else on par with that. I've never even come close. His remixes of bjork (all 8 or so) are just annoying, though i guess i like his production for nicolette, which is older and subtler. _________________________________ Adam Roesch / roesch@augsburg.edu Augsburg College / Minneapolis / MN / USA Visit my Fila Brazillia/Pork Recordings fan site: http://dogbert.augsburg.edu/~roesch/pork/ "The only disease we need in our blood is love" TRICKY