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1999-05-04 20:05Re: (idm) + Bill O'Brien +
1999-05-05 02:57boomboomkid Re: whitezone-l Re: (idm) + Bill O'Brien +
1999-05-06 13:27Kelley Hackett RE: whitezone-l Re: (idm) + Bill O'Brien +
1999-05-07 05:27boomboomkid Re: whitezone-l Re: (idm) + Bill O'Brien +
1999-05-07 15:45obrienw RE: whitezone-l Re: (idm) + Bill O'Brien +
1999-05-07 16:01Kelley Hackett RE: whitezone-l Re: (idm) + Bill O'Brien +
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1999-05-07 19:05Kelley Hackett RE: whitezone-l Re: (idm) + Bill O'Brien +
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1999-05-04 20:05RBigger590@aol.comIn a message dated 5/4/99 9:48:37 AM Pacific Daylight Time, cevallos@juno.com writes: << I
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In a message dated 5/4/99 9:48:37 AM Pacific Daylight Time, cevallos@juno.com writes: << I got the trade that he owed me yesterday. Everything is in good order. I just wanted to be fair and let you all know that he finally came through. Better late than never... I guess you can move him from the "Bad Trader" list to the "Slow Trader" list. >> yeah i got mine too from him FINALLY. I personally would keep him in the bad trader catagory, not only because he was ultra-slow, but he was ultra-unresponsive with emails until I was finally forced to resort to threats with him. and when he finally responded it was ultra-curt and rude, with a tone as if he was doing nothing wrong by not responding to me previously and not sending my cd. Sorry, but i have traded with many folks on the net through the years, and find this sort of exasperating behaviour the exception that I can do without, thank you! Ok - just needed to vent! -Thad
1999-05-05 02:57boomboomkidput it this way FUCK BILL O'BRIENS laziness and FUCK HIS Unresponsiveness and BULLSHIT! in
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put it this way FUCK BILL O'BRIENS laziness and FUCK HIS Unresponsiveness and BULLSHIT! in other words DON"T TRADE WITH HIM unless 4months waiting period is a short time to you!!! Bill, you suck. g RBigger590@aol.com wrote:
quoted 20 lines In a message dated 5/4/99 9:48:37 AM Pacific Daylight Time, cevallos@juno.com> In a message dated 5/4/99 9:48:37 AM Pacific Daylight Time, cevallos@juno.com > writes: > > << I got the trade that he owed me yesterday. Everything is in good order. > I just wanted to be fair and let you all know that he finally came > through. Better late than never... > > I guess you can move him from the "Bad Trader" list to the "Slow Trader" > list. >> > > yeah i got mine too from him FINALLY. I personally would keep him in the bad > trader catagory, not only because he was ultra-slow, but he was > ultra-unresponsive > with emails until I was finally forced to resort to threats with him. and > when he finally responded it was ultra-curt and rude, with a tone as if he > was doing nothing wrong by not responding to me previously and not sending my > cd. Sorry, but i have traded with many folks on the net through the years, > and find this sort of exasperating behaviour the exception that I can do > without, thank you! Ok - just needed to vent! > -Thad
-- On the 8th day, God created Electro. "E stands for electro"- Atom Heart. :::unity in diversity:::
1999-05-06 13:27Kelley HackettFunny that U type that BB-kid! Cuz that is what I told him via E-mail! And if he didnt ret
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Funny that U type that BB-kid! Cuz that is what I told him via E-mail! And if he didnt return those cats items, that is just about what would have happened to his punk-ass; he would have got fucked! Now, he doesnt owe me shit! But the principle of the matter dictates that all of us should come down on his ass like a 190,000 ton Anvil! Cuz tha muthafucka knew what he was doing when he promised somebody that he would send them Cds! This aint personal, it goes for everybody out there who wants to cheat and beat people! Oh and by the way, just like many doctors of the early twentieth century, I make housecalls! I hope some of U share in my sentiments that we should band together when anything like this happens----if ya dont----thats cool too Hk-90!~
quoted 61 lines -----Original Message-----> -----Original Message----- > From: boomboomkid [SMTP:galaxey@earthlink.net] > Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 1999 9:57 PM > To: RBigger590@aol.com > Cc: cevallos@juno.com; idm@hyperreal.org; > whitezone-l@lists.sonic.net; ambient@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: whitezone-l Re: (idm) + Bill O'Brien + > > put it this way > FUCK BILL O'BRIENS laziness > and > FUCK HIS Unresponsiveness > and BULLSHIT! > in other words > DON"T TRADE WITH HIM > unless 4months waiting period is a short time to you!!! > Bill, you suck. > > g > > RBigger590@aol.com wrote: > > > In a message dated 5/4/99 9:48:37 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > cevallos@juno.com > > writes: > > > > << I got the trade that he owed me yesterday. Everything is in good > order. > > I just wanted to be fair and let you all know that he finally came > > through. Better late than never... > > > > I guess you can move him from the "Bad Trader" list to the "Slow > Trader" > > list. >> > > > > yeah i got mine too from him FINALLY. I personally would keep him > in the bad > > trader catagory, not only because he was ultra-slow, but he was > > ultra-unresponsive > > with emails until I was finally forced to resort to threats with > him. and > > when he finally responded it was ultra-curt and rude, with a tone as > if he > > was doing nothing wrong by not responding to me previously and not > sending my > > cd. Sorry, but i have traded with many folks on the net through the > years, > > and find this sort of exasperating behaviour the exception that I > can do > > without, thank you! Ok - just needed to vent! > > -Thad > > > > -- > On the 8th day, God created Electro. > "E stands for electro"- Atom Heart. > :::unity in diversity::: > > >
1999-05-07 05:27boomboomkidbasically my frustrations are due to his lack of responsiveness, turn around time and lyin
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Thu, 06 May 1999 22:27:18 -0700
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basically my frustrations are due to his lack of responsiveness, turn around time and lying. For one, he told me one month after I paid him "hey sorry for the delay, I SHIPPED THEM OUT TODAY. I took a while cuz I wanted to dub everything to MD" I responded "Hey no problem, I understand" (keep in mind this is still ONE MONTH after I sent the money. Keep in mind also he claimed he put the shit in the mail- THIS WAS A LIE!) how was it a LIE? That fucking stuff didn't arrive for another 1.5months!!! So not only is he useless in trading quickly (but of course he takes my money immediately) he is a fucking LIAR!!!! During this period he NEVER responded to ANY of my 100's of emails concerning the matter. Finally a # of us on these lists banded together privately and one person sent Bill a very threatening letter. I sent Bill a letter in the "snail" mail, cuz email wasn't working and he finally replied via email "hey I just wanted to let you know I'm not ignoring you" that was all he wrote. Bullshit, Bill you do ignore me if you don't answer my questions as to where the fuck my shit is after I sent you money I work very hard for. This guy is a maggot in his business practices. ***BEFORE YOU ALL FLAME ME**** I admit, i took 4months to complete a trade with another IDM'er. The difference with me and my trade is: 1. I never LIED 2. It didn't involve MONEY 3. I responded to each and every email with a reason; usually my admitting to my laziness. 4. I made up for it by going to some extremes to locate a few rarities for this trader. (just thought I'd mention this b4 this person jumps into this thread should he be considering doing so) So from now on COD!!! Only way to ensure you get what you agree. Yet another necessary evil. ugh. Kelley Hackett wrote:
quoted 82 lines Funny that U type that BB-kid!> Funny that U type that BB-kid! > > Cuz that is what I told him via E-mail! And if he didnt return those > cats items, that is just about what would have happened to his punk-ass; > he would have got fucked! > > Now, he doesnt owe me shit! But the principle of the matter dictates > that all of us should come down on his ass like a 190,000 ton Anvil! > Cuz tha muthafucka knew what he was doing when he promised somebody that > he would send them Cds! > > This aint personal, it goes for everybody out there who wants to cheat > and beat people! > Oh and by the way, just like many doctors of the early twentieth > century, I make housecalls! > > I hope some of U share in my sentiments that we should band together > when anything like this happens----if ya dont----thats cool too > > Hk-90!~ > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: boomboomkid [SMTP:galaxey@earthlink.net] > > Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 1999 9:57 PM > > To: RBigger590@aol.com > > Cc: cevallos@juno.com; idm@hyperreal.org; > > whitezone-l@lists.sonic.net; ambient@hyperreal.org > > Subject: Re: whitezone-l Re: (idm) + Bill O'Brien + > > > > put it this way > > FUCK BILL O'BRIENS laziness > > and > > FUCK HIS Unresponsiveness > > and BULLSHIT! > > in other words > > DON"T TRADE WITH HIM > > unless 4months waiting period is a short time to you!!! > > Bill, you suck. > > > > g > > > > RBigger590@aol.com wrote: > > > > > In a message dated 5/4/99 9:48:37 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > > cevallos@juno.com > > > writes: > > > > > > << I got the trade that he owed me yesterday. Everything is in good > > order. > > > I just wanted to be fair and let you all know that he finally came > > > through. Better late than never... > > > > > > I guess you can move him from the "Bad Trader" list to the "Slow > > Trader" > > > list. >> > > > > > > yeah i got mine too from him FINALLY. I personally would keep him > > in the bad > > > trader catagory, not only because he was ultra-slow, but he was > > > ultra-unresponsive > > > with emails until I was finally forced to resort to threats with > > him. and > > > when he finally responded it was ultra-curt and rude, with a tone as > > if he > > > was doing nothing wrong by not responding to me previously and not > > sending my > > > cd. Sorry, but i have traded with many folks on the net through the > > years, > > > and find this sort of exasperating behaviour the exception that I > > can do > > > without, thank you! Ok - just needed to vent! > > > -Thad > > > > > > > > -- > > On the 8th day, God created Electro. > > "E stands for electro"- Atom Heart. > > :::unity in diversity::: > > > > > >
-- On the 8th day, God created Electro. "E stands for electro"- Atom Heart. :::unity in diversity:::
1999-05-07 15:45obrienwFinally a # of us on these lists banded together privately and *one person sent Bill a ver
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Finally a # of us on these lists banded together privately and *one person sent Bill a very threatening letter.* Yeah, it was an interesting email letter from Helley Kacket. I cried, sweated balls about his threats, called my mommy, pissed in my pants, and then I realized that threads on IDM about me were seemingly more common and popular than even Autechre. What would a new member say these lists (ambient/idm) are about these days? Trading problems and weekly junk techno sales? I'm not going to say that I have always been a good trader, but I have been trading since spring of '95 over the ambient and idm lists. In addition, I'm not a someone who continually changes alaises and email addresses...which is good for all of you and great for me when I want to receive physical threats from Hacking Kelly. Like I said, I had nightmares about the stuff he/she said. It got to the point where I tried to beef up to try and minimize the expected punishment Kellet Hackey would be giving me in the future, but I figured it was no use. Maybe a beating from KH would actually turn me on, and we would meet up regularly for some good beatings. But actually, I think it would be the other way around. I have no idea who Kellie Hackette is or his potential to cause me physical harm. I also realize his threat is basically meaningless since it occurred over the internet. I'm not a bully by any means, but if it actually ever came to defending myself, I think I speak for anyone listening that I would do so to the f#cking nth degree. Now, for the sake of IDM/ambient/whitezone members, please direct any further comments about me directly to me and be considerate and spare everyone else from having to press the delete key. Oh yeah, one more thing:
quoted 2 lines ***BEFORE YOU ALL FLAME ME**** I admit, i took 4months to complete a trade>***BEFORE YOU ALL FLAME ME**** I admit, i took 4months to complete a trade >with another IDM'er. The difference with me and my trade is:
NOTHING...four months is (as many would say) FUCKING FOUR MONTHS! --Bill
1999-05-07 16:01Kelley HackettLooks like ya bitch ass got enough nutz to talk now, ya must of had them surgically implan
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Looks like ya bitch ass got enough nutz to talk now, ya must of had them surgically implanted! Well, I will save the chatter! ha ha ha I pray that we meet one day, and then, just like a new EP from Autechre, bitch, I will post the results! Hk-90!
quoted 68 lines -----Original Message-----> -----Original Message----- > From: obrienw [SMTP:William.OBrien@Citadel.edu] > Sent: Friday, May 07, 1999 10:45 AM > To: ambient; idm > Subject: RE: whitezone-l Re: (idm) + Bill O'Brien + > > Finally a # of us on these lists banded together privately and > > *one person sent Bill a very threatening letter.* > > Yeah, it was an interesting email letter from Helley Kacket. I cried, > sweated > balls about his threats, called my mommy, pissed in my pants, and then > I > realized that threads on IDM about me were seemingly more common and > popular > than even Autechre. What would a new member say these lists > (ambient/idm) are > about these days? Trading problems and weekly junk techno sales? > > I'm not going to say that I have always been a good trader, but I have > been > trading since spring of '95 over the ambient and idm lists. > > In addition, I'm not a someone who continually changes alaises and > email > addresses...which is good for all of you and great for me when I want > to > receive physical threats from Hacking Kelly. Like I said, I had > nightmares > about the stuff he/she said. > > It got to the point where I tried to beef up to try and minimize the > expected > punishment Kellet Hackey would be giving me in the future, but I > figured it > was no use. Maybe a beating from KH would actually turn me on, and we > would > meet up regularly for some good beatings. > > But actually, I think it would be the other way around. I have no idea > who > Kellie Hackette is or his potential to cause me physical harm. I also > realize > his threat is basically meaningless since it occurred over the > internet. I'm > not a bully by any means, but if it actually ever came to defending > myself, I > think I speak for anyone listening that I would do so to the f#cking > nth > degree. > > Now, for the sake of IDM/ambient/whitezone members, please direct any > further > comments about me directly to me and be considerate and spare everyone > else > from having to press the delete key. > > Oh yeah, one more thing: > > >***BEFORE YOU ALL FLAME ME**** I admit, i took 4months to complete a > trade > >with another IDM'er. The difference with me and my trade is: > > > NOTHING...four months is (as many would say) FUCKING FOUR MONTHS! > > --Bill
1999-05-07 18:50RBigger590@aol.comIn a message dated 5/7/99 8:47:48 AM Pacific Daylight Time, William.OBrien@Citadel.edu wri
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In a message dated 5/7/99 8:47:48 AM Pacific Daylight Time, William.OBrien@Citadel.edu writes: << Finally a # of us on these lists banded together privately and *one person sent Bill a very threatening letter.* Yeah, it was an interesting email letter from Helley Kacket. >> sigh. oooooooooh mr bill. you know as well as many of us do that Kelly's letter was not the *only* letter sent to your "punk ass", as Kelly so enthusiastically calls you. and for you to hide your actions (or rather pompous lack of), your manipulations, and your blantant lies behind the meant to distract criticisms of Kelly's admitedly extreme but well meant rhetoric is just another example of why not to trade with you. its a shame to you that the only time you finally do post publicly regarding your trading practices, it is only to further manipulate the situation, and sidestep any true accounting or *read* APOLOGY for your actions to many many people on the lists. heres a clue- if you are *so concerned* about the content of the mailing lists, then how about trying to trade responsiblly and follow through with your own comitments to others???!!! Then all the crap that YOU force people to have to post public about you (as you wont truly answer them privately), well such warnings would not need to exist, would they? But of course you already know that. You are just dicking us all over as usual with your all to rare yet choice public comment. whatever. obviously, my advice to everyone on the lists remains the same: do not trade with this sly slacker, or risk bullshit galore. -Thad
1999-05-07 19:05Kelley HackettBig up Thad, and sorry people but I am trying now to stay out of it----for my purpose of s
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Big up Thad, and sorry people but I am trying now to stay out of it----for my purpose of sending him the message was to get communication out of him for others---yeah what a method, but it worked. Ladies and gentlemen of the IDM & Ambient arena, I give U, Bill----ha ha ha ha speak Bill or shall I say type----Ok here I go-----------I am having fun. But for the record, I am a sticker on INTEGRITY! I sent that message to for Pedro(and they didnt ask me to) and a couple of others just so that he would respond and get their CDs that he promised them! When I read that message I was infuriated! I thought, what if it was my 20, 40, or $60 dollar order he was playing around with(folks, no lie, I would have taken a trip 2 C him). But my money was not involved! So some may ask why is he so adamant on this issue! My live is worth giving up for that principle---INTEGRITY! My father, and grandfather stressed, or beat into me that a man is only as good as his word---and no one has anything in the world save his/her word! Thus, I die by it-----and I would not kill anyone for such pettyness---but breaking his arm or leg is a different story(or getting mine broke)! My bad, but I just want many of U to know that I am a straight up cat(and those whom I have traded with know that I try to give everyone something more or equal to what they give me! Peace, Hk-90! np: Sun Electric--Castor & Pollux!
quoted 54 lines -----Original Message-----> -----Original Message----- > From: RBigger590@aol.com [SMTP:RBigger590@aol.com] > Sent: Friday, May 07, 1999 1:51 PM > To: William.OBrien@citadel.edu; whitezone-l@lists.sonic.net; > idm@hyperreal.org; ambient@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: whitezone-l Re: (idm) + Bill O'Brien + > > In a message dated 5/7/99 8:47:48 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > William.OBrien@Citadel.edu writes: > > << Finally a # of us on these lists banded together privately and > > *one person sent Bill a very threatening letter.* > > Yeah, it was an interesting email letter from Helley Kacket. >> > > sigh. oooooooooh mr bill. you know as well as many of us do that > Kelly's > letter was not the *only* letter sent to your "punk ass", as Kelly so > enthusiastically calls you. > and for you to hide your actions (or rather pompous lack of), your > manipulations, and your blantant lies behind the meant to distract > criticisms > of Kelly's admitedly extreme but well meant rhetoric is just another > example > of why not to trade with you. > > its a shame to you that the only time you finally do post publicly > regarding > your trading practices, it is only to further manipulate the > situation, and > sidestep any true accounting or *read* APOLOGY for your actions to > many many > people on the lists. > > heres a clue- if you are *so concerned* about the content of the > mailing > lists, then how about trying to trade responsiblly and follow through > with > your own comitments to others???!!! Then all the crap that YOU force > people > to have to post public about you (as you wont truly answer them > privately), > well such warnings would not need to exist, would they? But of course > you > already know that. You are just dicking us all over as usual with your > all to > rare yet choice public comment. > > whatever. > obviously, my advice to everyone on the lists remains the same: do not > trade > with this sly slacker, or risk bullshit galore. > -Thad