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re: romanticism. good thread. a couple of things pop into my head on this topic. 1. i think part of the problem why a lot of electronic music loses some feeling is because of the tools we're forced to use. they're designed to create rigid structures for dancing and they do their very best to remove the human element. the repetitive nature of e-music often creates more of a trance-like state rather than drawing me into the music itself. not that there's anything wrong with this - i love the ability of electronic music to numb my brain. it's just not as initmate an experience as music with words or unquantized sound or instruments we recognize as being played by humans... 2. someone else commented on this, but it's a good point - i think a lot of us get too sucked up in how the music is made rather than what it does to us emotionally. i know i do the same thing. there's a lot of e-music that i love just because of the gee-whiz factor, but there's also a lot of e-music i love because of the raw emotions contained within. that's why something like BoC and circa-1996 autechre work so well. their music and emotions aren't obfuscated by the technology itself. even if the most technologically advanced music is laden with soul, i seem to first get caught up in the how rather than the wow and something is lost. for me, it's almost always the simplest music that creates the strongest emotional reaction. 3. i think that once we get more proficient in using computers and electronics to communicate emotions, there won't be the huge divisions that seem to exist right now. we're definately getting better at it, but i think that when we listen to something that obviously has the mechanical touch, the emotional part of our brains shut down a bit and we stop thinking of it as just music. technology is just a tool, and instrument like any other. we just need to refine our ways of working with it and reconsider our ways of listening to it. hope this makes sense to someone other than myself... re: violence. just bought nord by imminent starvation. i know it was mentioned a while ago on the list, but i need to offer a very strong recommendation for this cd. much better than human dislocation, in fact much better than anything i've heard from the ant-zen camp. period. wonderfully noisy - those into caustic window, richard devine, or other ant-zen acts but wished they would be louder and more consistantly good need to check this out. not a bad song on the whole darn cd. but those that fear repitition should be wary... ethan --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On Tue, 18 Apr 2000, Bordeaux, Ethan wrote:

quoted 10 lines re: violence. just bought nord by imminent starvation. i know it was

> > re: violence. just bought nord by imminent starvation. i know it was > mentioned a while ago on the list, but i need to offer a very strong > recommendation for this cd. much better than human dislocation, in > fact much better than anything i've heard from the ant-zen camp. > period. wonderfully noisy - those into caustic window, richard > devine, or other ant-zen acts but wished they would be louder and more > consistantly good need to check this out. not a bad song on the whole > darn cd. but those that fear repitition should be wary... >

a very fine CD ineed. Also worth noting on the Ant-Zen label is Converter - shock front. Very repetitious but very hard, pristine and distorted. Much angrier than the IS CD. At very loud volumes it is highly effective, especially if your looking for an emotional impact. Lastly, Synascape - "so what" is close to this sound. Perhaps more of an IDM/Industrial hybrid but the anger/violence is definitely there. -daniel --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On Tue, 18 Apr 2000, daniel wrote:

quoted 21 lines On Tue, 18 Apr 2000, Bordeaux, Ethan wrote:

> On Tue, 18 Apr 2000, Bordeaux, Ethan wrote: > > > > > re: violence. just bought nord by imminent starvation. i know it was > > mentioned a while ago on the list, but i need to offer a very strong > > recommendation for this cd. much better than human dislocation, in > > fact much better than anything i've heard from the ant-zen camp. > > period. wonderfully noisy - those into caustic window, richard > > devine, or other ant-zen acts but wished they would be louder and more > > consistantly good need to check this out. not a bad song on the whole > > darn cd. but those that fear repitition should be wary... > > > > > a very fine CD ineed. Also worth noting on the Ant-Zen label is > Converter - shock front. Very repetitious but very hard, pristine and > distorted. Much angrier than the IS CD. At very loud volumes it is > highly effective, especially if your looking for an emotional impact. > > Lastly, Synascape - "so what" is close to this sound. Perhaps more of > an IDM/Industrial hybrid but the anger/violence is definitely there.

best thing i've heard on ant-zen lately is the new P.A.L., _release_. chock-full of thunderous beats. leaning more towards techno than noise, but still damned harsh. oddly enough, less harsh was the last noisex album _1920.00_. i loved it (first noisex i liked), but it was very melodic, bouncy noise (if you can get that). if you liked the converter, check out axiome's _rictus_. similar music, better production and arrangement (converter left me feeling eenh). np greater than one "kunst gleich kapital" * #### a disturbance in a system. #### laerm. @voicenet.com ##:# icq 5562209 integrate me --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On Tue, 18 Apr 2000, laerm wrote:

quoted 9 lines best thing i've heard on ant-zen lately is the new P.A.L., _release_.

> best thing i've heard on ant-zen lately is the new P.A.L., _release_. > chock-full of thunderous beats. leaning more towards techno than noise, > but still damned harsh. oddly enough, less harsh was the last noisex album > _1920.00_. i loved it (first noisex i liked), but it was very melodic, > bouncy noise (if you can get that). > > if you liked the converter, check out axiome's _rictus_. similar music, > better production and arrangement (converter left me feeling eenh). >

Yes I forgot about axiome (which is Olivier Moreau aka Imminent Starvation and the performance artist C-Drik). I found it to be very similar to Nord but with more atmospherics. The converter left me cold at first until I heard it on a very nice system. And now I can really get into it. The somatic responses CD is also very nice. And for very good IDM on Ant-Zen beefcake and architect fit the bill. I could talk about this all day... ;) -daniel --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On Tue, 18 Apr 2000, daniel wrote:

quoted 3 lines Yes I forgot about axiome (which is Olivier Moreau aka Imminent

> Yes I forgot about axiome (which is Olivier Moreau aka Imminent > Starvation and the performance artist C-Drik). I found it to be very > similar to Nord but with more atmospherics.

yeah, that's a pretty good comparative description.

quoted 2 lines The converter left me cold at first until I heard it on a very nice

> The converter left me cold at first until I heard it on a very nice > system. And now I can really get into it.

okay. i heard it in my friend's car, which is not.

quoted 2 lines The somatic responses CD is also very nice. And for very good IDM on

> The somatic responses CD is also very nice. And for very good IDM on > Ant-Zen beefcake and architect fit the bill.

i haven't heard the somatic responses... architect is very idm, and very very good. beat a lot of the idm i heard at the time it came out. beefcake is a little too...silly for me. another for the idm/noise pile is passarani's _unspeakable future outbreaks_. hell, put it on the "romantic/emotional" pile, too.

quoted 1 line I could talk about this all day... ;)

> I could talk about this all day... ;)

me too, but i gotta go to work in two hours. :) * #### a disturbance in a system. #### laerm. @voicenet.com ##:# icq 5562209 integrate me --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On Tue, 18 Apr 2000, laerm wrote:

quoted 6 lines On Tue, 18 Apr 2000, daniel wrote:

> On Tue, 18 Apr 2000, daniel wrote: > > > The somatic responses CD is also very nice. And for very good IDM on > > Ant-Zen beefcake and architect fit the bill. > > i haven't heard the somatic responses...

Oh, you should. It's like Autechre for angry people.

quoted 2 lines architect is very idm, and very very good. beat a lot of the idm i heard

> architect is very idm, and very very good. beat a lot of the idm i heard > at the time it came out. beefcake is a little too...silly for me.

The Architect release is very nice; cold and sparse d'n'b that make me happy... after the first couple of tracks. You really should give the Beefcake another chance. It is a little light and fruity at a couple points, but it's a lot of fun.

quoted 2 lines another for the idm/noise pile is passarani's _unspeakable future

> another for the idm/noise pile is passarani's _unspeakable future > outbreaks_. hell, put it on the "romantic/emotional" pile, too.

This one I still haven't heard.

quoted 3 lines I could talk about this all day... ;)

> > I could talk about this all day... ;) > > me too, but i gotta go to work in two hours. :)

Seeing as I'm actually wearing my Hymen t-shirt today and listening to a CD that was released in Europe by Hymen, I'll go ahead and advertise their site to seem like a total groupie. http://www.klangstabil.com/hymen/ -Dayv! "I am the Lorax, I speak for the trees, bitch." --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On Tue, 18 Apr 2000, Dayv! wrote:

quoted 1 line Oh, you should. It's like Autechre for angry people.

> Oh, you should. It's like Autechre for angry people.

now there's a ringing endorsement. i'll look into it...

quoted 2 lines The Architect release is very nice; cold and sparse d'n'b that make

> The Architect release is very nice; cold and sparse d'n'b that make > me happy... after the first couple of tracks.

yeah - just like _human dislocation_, it takes a bit to get going.

quoted 2 lines You really should give the Beefcake another chance. It is a little

> You really should give the Beefcake another chance. It is a little > light and fruity at a couple points, but it's a lot of fun.

i think i sold it.

quoted 1 line This one I still haven't heard.

> This one I still haven't heard.

one of the very few releases i've heard in which the press release description was good - old aphex twin meets the soundtrack to _2001_. * #### a disturbance in a system. #### laerm. @voicenet.com ##:# icq 5562209 integrate me --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On Tue, 18 Apr 2000, laerm wrote:

quoted 5 lines best thing i've heard on ant-zen lately is the new P.A.L., _release_.

> best thing i've heard on ant-zen lately is the new P.A.L., _release_. > chock-full of thunderous beats. leaning more towards techno than noise, > but still damned harsh. oddly enough, less harsh was the last noisex album > _1920.00_. i loved it (first noisex i liked), but it was very melodic, > bouncy noise (if you can get that).

Amazing, another thread I can actually comment on on this list! As far as 1920.00 being the first Noisex you liked, have you heard the Rotation U.S.A. EP? It's the most dark techno/idm thing he's done, and easily his best work, IMO. I think only one track has vocals, so that downside is kept to a minimum as well. Unfortunately, it was limited to 505 copies, and I think they're pretty well sold out by now. np: Snog- Third Mall From the Sun -Dayv! "I am the Lorax, I speak for the trees, bitch." --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On Tue, 18 Apr 2000, Dayv! wrote:

quoted 6 lines As far as 1920.00 being the first Noisex you liked, have you heard

> As far as 1920.00 being the first Noisex you liked, have you heard > the Rotation U.S.A. EP? It's the most dark techno/idm thing he's > done, and easily his best work, IMO. I think only one track has > vocals, so that downside is kept to a minimum as well. > Unfortunately, it was limited to 505 copies, and I think they're > pretty well sold out by now.

there ya go - not into noisex at the time, i was not motivated to pick one up, and since, its limitedosity has stopped me from getting one.

quoted 1 line np: Snog- Third Mall From the Sun

> np: Snog- Third Mall From the Sun

borderline idm here, too. * #### a disturbance in a system. #### laerm. @voicenet.com ##:# icq 5562209 integrate me --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Even better than Imminent Starvation's "Nord" is Winterkalte's "Structures of Destruction" on the Hands label. Absolutely stunning power noise that gives you no rests to think, breathe or excrete. If you can find it, purchase it, I believe it's getting domesticated later this year, but until then, check the pockets of your local rivethead.... -DISCOURSE ABORTED- "Iss a rasta ting." - Lance -Jon --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

hey - winterkaelte's structures of destruction was licensed last year (or perhaps the year before) by c.o.p. international. drum and noise, released last year (or early this year?) is, for my money, a more interesting album. beefcake's cd gets weak after awhile, but their spontaneous human combustion 12" on hymen still gets high marks. i don't know if they would get the list's consensus for 'idm status', but haujobb's solutions for a small planet and ninetynine are exemplary 'emotional electronics' albums.... home cd-recording is killing the auction industry. please stop the insanity! --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites.

On Tue, 18 Apr 2000, rich burly wrote:

quoted 2 lines winterkaelte's structures of destruction was licensed last year (or

> winterkaelte's structures of destruction was licensed last year (or > perhaps the year before) by c.o.p. international.

They didn't license it, they just distribute some copies domestically. -Dayv! "I am the Lorax, I speak for the trees, bitch." --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On Tue, 18 Apr 2000, rich burly wrote:

quoted 5 lines winterkaelte's structures of destruction was licensed last year (or

> winterkaelte's structures of destruction was licensed last year (or > perhaps the year before) by c.o.p. international. drum and noise, > released last year (or early this year?) is, for my money, a more > interesting album. beefcake's cd gets weak after awhile, but their > spontaneous human combustion 12" on hymen still gets high marks.

winterkaelte never did it for me, either. and c.o.p. int'l is known for quality. ;)

quoted 3 lines i don't know if they would get the list's consensus for 'idm

> i don't know if they would get the list's consensus for 'idm > status', but haujobb's solutions for a small planet and ninetynine are > exemplary 'emotional electronics' albums....

dude, you forgot _matrix_. "transfer" is only one of the most emotive pieces of electronics ever. but yeah, haujobb's past four releases are more idm than most idm. * #### a disturbance in a system. #### laerm. @voicenet.com ##:# icq 5562209 integrate me --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 1 line winterkaelte's structures of destruction was licensed last year (or perhaps the year

> winterkaelte's structures of destruction was licensed last year (or perhaps the year before) by c.o.p. international.

Actually COP was only distributing the original release on Hands. They also distribute the follow-up album Drum & Noise as well as other Hands releases such as Orphyx and Needle Sharing. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org