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1999-04-14 13:26Kelley Hackett (idm) New Discoveries
1999-04-14 13:48William Van Loo Re: (idm) New Discoveries
1999-04-14 15:31Re: (idm) New Discoveries
└─ 1999-04-14 15:51Moonlight (idm) Carl Craig (Re: New Discoveries)
1999-04-14 15:35William Van Loo Re: (idm) New Discoveries
├─ 1999-04-14 17:50Moonlight (idm) Carl Craig (Re: New Discoveries)
│ └─ 1999-04-14 18:19Lance C McGannon Re: (idm) Carl Craig (Re: New Discoveries)
└─ 1999-04-15 02:22R. Lim (idm) Re: carl craig
└─ 1999-04-15 04:35Lance C McGannon Re: (idm) Re: carl craig
└─ 1999-04-15 04:38Lance C McGannon Re: (idm) Re: carl craig
1999-04-14 15:44Andrew Duke Cognition/In The Mix Re: (idm) New Discoveries
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1999-04-14 13:26Kelley HackettListening to the comments from many of you, I continue to C that I am extremely new to IDM
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Listening to the comments from many of you, I continue to C that I am extremely new to IDM, and Ambient? Here is the thing: Although this can not be considered IDM or Ambient, but his music is Hella--can anyone tell more about John Beltran & or Carl Craig. Yes, I know that they are placed in the Detroit Techno-vein, and perhaps rightfully so, but some of John's Trax are stellar(and can perhaps be cross-meshed with the two). Any info is greatly appreciated! Von-O-Him B-jr!
1999-04-14 13:48William Van Loo> Although this can not be considered IDM or Ambient, but his music is > Hella--can anyone
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quoted 5 lines Although this can not be considered IDM or Ambient, but his music is> Although this can not be considered IDM or Ambient, but his music is > Hella--can anyone tell more about John Beltran & or Carl Craig. Yes, I > know that they are placed in the Detroit Techno-vein, and perhaps > rightfully so, but some of John's Trax are stellar(and can perhaps be > cross-meshed with the two). Any info is greatly appreciated!
Carl Craig can certainly be considered "Intelligent Dance Music". I seem to end up posting this message every 3 months or so - maybe I should put together a stock "what IDMers should know about Carl Craig" message... Here's a first attempt at the "IDMers Guide To Carl Craig": Start with the Psyche/BFC compilation "Elements 1989-1990". It compiles Carl's work under the Psyche and BFC aliases, including the gems "Chicken Noodle Soup", "Neurotic Behavior", and a personal favorite, "How the West Was Won". Next, you have a couple of choices. If you buy vinyl, I'd get the Innerzone Orchestra 12" that was released on Mo Wax a couple years ago - there are a couple of different versions, the one I'd get has the original "Bug in the Bassbin" on one side, and the "jazz version" of "Bug in the Bassbin" on the flip. The jazz version features Rodney Whitaker on standup bass and Francisco Mora on percussion. If you like house music at all, get the Paperclip People compilation album "Secret Tapes of Dr. Eich". Great stuff. Should be relatively easy to find; it's on Planet E but it seems to have good distribution. The alternative to this, if you buy vinyl and/or DJ, is to get the 12"s from this album, several of which seem to be easily procured. Standouts from this album are "The Floor", "Oscillator", and "The Climax", but they're all great dance music. Finally...start saving your pennies for the new Innerzone Orchestra album "Programmed". Having only heard bits and pieces (the live set last year in Detroit, the wonderful "Manufactured Memories" on the Header2 compilation), I can only say that this has the potential to be Carl Craig's best work to date. That's saying a lot, if you know *anything* about what this guy's done. It should be out in May from what I've heard. Cheers, Bill -- Sigma6 Interactive Media / http://www.sigma6.com http://www.citydetroit.com
1999-04-14 15:31giles.ward@postoffice.co.ukI'd recommend the 69 album on R&S for examples of Carl Craig's more intense techno. The pr
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I'd recommend the 69 album on R&S for examples of Carl Craig's more intense techno. The production is pretty raw, quite harsh in places, but it's a very 'live' sounding collection. 'Filter King/No highs/Finale' could have been the first example of that track filtering tweakery that appears on loads of stuff these days. To Kelley Hackett <KHACKETT@aba.iupui.edu> cc idm@hyperreal.org (bcc: Giles Ward/POCL/POSTOFFICE) Hard Copy To Hard Copy cc From William Van Loo <wdvanloo@sigma6.com> Date 14/04/99 13:48 Subject Re: (idm) New Discoveries
quoted 5 lines Although this can not be considered IDM or Ambient, but his music is> Although this can not be considered IDM or Ambient, but his music is > Hella--can anyone tell more about John Beltran & or Carl Craig. Yes, I > know that they are placed in the Detroit Techno-vein, and perhaps > rightfully so, but some of John's Trax are stellar(and can perhaps be > cross-meshed with the two). Any info is greatly appreciated!
Carl Craig can certainly be considered "Intelligent Dance Music". I seem to end up posting this message every 3 months or so - maybe I should put together a stock "what IDMers should know about Carl Craig" message... Here's a first attempt at the "IDMers Guide To Carl Craig": Start with the Psyche/BFC compilation "Elements 1989-1990". It compiles Carl's work under the Psyche and BFC aliases, including the gems "Chicken Noodle Soup", "Neurotic Behavior", and a personal favorite, "How the West Was Won". Next, you have a couple of choices. If you buy vinyl, I'd get the Innerzone Orchestra 12" that was released on Mo Wax a couple years ago - there are a couple of different versions, the one I'd get has the original "Bug in the Bassbin" on one side, and the "jazz version" of "Bug in the Bassbin" on the flip. The jazz version features Rodney Whitaker on standup bass and Francisco Mora on percussion. If you like house music at all, get the Paperclip People compilation album "Secret Tapes of Dr. Eich". Great stuff. Should be relatively easy to find; it's on Planet E but it seems to have good distribution. The alternative to this, if you buy vinyl and/or DJ, is to get the 12"s from this album, several of which seem to be easily procured. Standouts from this album are "The Floor", "Oscillator", and "The Climax", but they're all great dance music. Finally...start saving your pennies for the new Innerzone Orchestra album "Programmed". Having only heard bits and pieces (the live set last year in Detroit, the wonderful "Manufactured Memories" on the Header2 compilation), I can only say that this has the potential to be Carl Craig's best work to date. That's saying a lot, if you know *anything* about what this guy's done. It should be out in May from what I've heard. Cheers, Bill -- Sigma6 Interactive Media / http://www.sigma6.com http://www.citydetroit.com
1999-04-14 15:51MoonlightAnyone suggest Carl Craig's DJ-Kicks mix? It's the only DJ-Kicks i'm missing, although I'm
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Anyone suggest Carl Craig's DJ-Kicks mix? It's the only DJ-Kicks i'm missing, although I'm not sure i enjoy that many of the early ones that much (But they keep getting better).
quoted 1 line Carl Craig can certainly be considered "Intelligent Dance Music".>Carl Craig can certainly be considered "Intelligent Dance Music".
_________________________________ Adam Roesch / roesch@augsburg.edu Augsburg College / Minneapolis / MN / USA http://dogbert.augsburg.edu/~roesch/ The world's most complete Pork Recordings/Fila Brazillia site: http://dogbert.augsburg.edu/~roesch/pork/ "The only disease we need in our blood is love" TRICKY
1999-04-14 15:35William Van Loogiles.ward@postoffice.co.uk wrote: > > I'd recommend the 69 album on R&S for examples of C
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giles.ward@postoffice.co.uk wrote:
quoted 6 lines I'd recommend the 69 album on R&S for examples of Carl Craig's more intense> > I'd recommend the 69 album on R&S for examples of Carl Craig's more intense > techno. The production is pretty raw, quite harsh in places, but it's a > very 'live' sounding collection. 'Filter King/No highs/Finale' could have > been the first example of that track filtering tweakery that appears on > loads of stuff these days.
Damn! I knew I was forgetting something but couldn't put my finger on it! Thanks, Giles. The amended "Beginner's guide to Carl Craig" is below. Cheers, Bill Start with the Psyche/BFC compilation "Elements 1989-1990". It compiles Carl's work under the Psyche and BFC aliases, including the gems "Chicken Noodle Soup", "Neurotic Behavior", and a personal favorite, "How the West Was Won". Next, you have a couple of choices. - If you buy vinyl and like jazz, I'd get the Innerzone Orchestra 12" that was released on Mo Wax a couple years ago - there are a couple of different versions, the one I'd get has the original "Bug in the Bassbin" on one side, and the "jazz version" of "Bug in the Bassbin" on the flip. The jazz version features Rodney Whitaker on standup bass and Francisco Mora on percussion. - If you like house music at all, get the Paperclip People compilation album "Secret Tapes of Dr. Eich". Great stuff. Should be relatively easy to find; it's on Planet E but it seems to have good distribution. The alternative to this, if you buy vinyl and/or DJ, is to get the 12"s from this album, several of which seem to be easily procured. Standouts from this album are "The Floor", "Oscillator", and "The Climax", but they're all great dance music. - If you like techno, try to find the 69 material. There were 3 12" records released on Planet E by Carl as "69" - "4 Jazz Funk Classics", "Sound on Sound", and "Lite Music". All are incredibly worth having, but equally hard to find. Easier to get is the R&S Records release "Sound of Music", which compiles tracks from "Sound on Sound" and "Lite Music". Don't get scared off by the word "techno" - this isn't some 4-on-the-floor-909-kick-drum-with-alternating-hi-hat thing. Instead, think chopped up beats and raw funky nature. Hard to describe, and hard to stop listening to once you've gotten an earful. Then there are the remixes. The tops for me: Tori Amos "God" remix, which works a tuned tom-drum sample and vocal snippet into a killer track. the Spacetime Continuum track off "Remit Recaps" - one of the largest bass sounds I've ever heard on record, plus some of the best dance drum programming in recent years - finger snaps, perfectly placed beats, it just goes on and on. Can's "Future Days" remix (the "Blade Runner" mix) off "Sacrilege". It's a fast tempo (maybe around 135-140 BPM) track that just keeps building layer upon layer of snares, pads, vocals, and other elements, but never brings in a kick. Sublime. Finally...start saving your pennies for the new Innerzone Orchestra album "Programmed". Having only heard bits and pieces (the live set last year in Detroit, the wonderful "Manufactured Memories" on the Header2 compilation), I can only say that this has the potential to be Carl Craig's best work to date. That's saying a lot, if you know *anything* about what this guy's done. It should be out in May from what I've heard. -- Sigma6 Interactive Media / http://www.sigma6.com http://www.citydetroit.com
1999-04-14 17:50Moonlight>Tori Amos "God" remix, which works a tuned tom-drum sample and vocal snippet >into a kill
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quoted 2 lines Tori Amos "God" remix, which works a tuned tom-drum sample and vocal snippet>Tori Amos "God" remix, which works a tuned tom-drum sample and vocal snippet >into a killer track.
Where is this available? On a commercially released CDsingle, or do i have to go searching for some rare DJ-only 12"? Two Carl Craig remixes i really dig: Ultramarine "Hooter" and Coldcut "Rubaiyat" (although that doesn't beat Nobukazu Takemura's remix of Rubaiyat). _________________________________ Adam Roesch / roesch@augsburg.edu Augsburg College / Minneapolis / MN / USA http://dogbert.augsburg.edu/~roesch/ The world's most complete Pork Recordings/Fila Brazillia site: http://dogbert.augsburg.edu/~roesch/pork/ "The only disease we need in our blood is love" TRICKY
1999-04-14 18:19Lance C McGannonAt 12:50 PM 4/14/99 -0500, you wrote: >>Tori Amos "God" remix, which works a tuned tom-dru
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At 12:50 PM 4/14/99 -0500, you wrote:
quoted 6 lines Tori Amos "God" remix, which works a tuned tom-drum sample and vocal snippet>>Tori Amos "God" remix, which works a tuned tom-drum sample and vocal snippet >>into a killer track. > >Where is this available? On a commercially released CDsingle, or do i have >to go searching for some rare DJ-only 12"? >
I've been after the above mixes for ages and have never had any success in finding them. those tori amos trainspotters must have bought them all up first! If anybody has any leads on some please let me know.
quoted 4 lines Two Carl Craig remixes i really dig: Ultramarine "Hooter" and Coldcut>Two Carl Craig remixes i really dig: Ultramarine "Hooter" and Coldcut >"Rubaiyat" (although that doesn't beat Nobukazu Takemura's remix of >Rubaiyat). >
A few of my favorite Carl Craig mixes are his No One Lives on Mars remix for Soft Ballet, his Out of the Storm remix for Incognito, his Kairo remix for Spacetime Continuum, and his Fantastique remix for Chris & Cosey. -->-Lance--- mclance@nacs.net lance@inaudible.com p.o. box 450715 westlake, ohio 44145 united states
1999-04-15 02:22R. LimOn Wed, 14 Apr 1999, William Van Loo wrote: > - If you buy vinyl and like jazz, I'd get th
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On Wed, 14 Apr 1999, William Van Loo wrote:
quoted 3 lines - If you buy vinyl and like jazz, I'd get the Innerzone Orchestra 12"> - If you buy vinyl and like jazz, I'd get the Innerzone Orchestra 12" > that was released on Mo Wax a couple years ago - there are a couple of > different versions, the one I'd get has the original "Bug in the
I believe this was a reissue of the original "Bassbin" 12". The angle I heard when Mo' Wax got its hands on it was that it was the first breakbeat 12" (1992). So it was suitably gussied up with a bunch of drum 'n bass remixes (4 Hero, Peshay), plus others (DeGiorgio, Claude Young). These were probably released in a barrage of configurations (at least one 12" and a 10" version), but the CD has everything. Unfortunately, Mo' Wax dropped the two b-sides that accompanied the Planet E issue that I have (what I believe to be a later version/pressing on clear vinyl, with "Nitwit" and "Surreal")... I'm sure one of you Detroit scholars can clear things up, but the (eventual) point being that those b-sides are certainly worth your while. -rob
1999-04-15 04:35Lance C McGannonAt 10:22 PM 4/14/99 -0400, you wrote: >On Wed, 14 Apr 1999, William Van Loo wrote: > >> -
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At 10:22 PM 4/14/99 -0400, you wrote:
quoted 18 lines On Wed, 14 Apr 1999, William Van Loo wrote:>On Wed, 14 Apr 1999, William Van Loo wrote: > >> - If you buy vinyl and like jazz, I'd get the Innerzone Orchestra 12" >> that was released on Mo Wax a couple years ago - there are a couple of >> different versions, the one I'd get has the original "Bug in the > >I believe this was a reissue of the original "Bassbin" 12". The angle I >heard when Mo' Wax got its hands on it was that it was the first breakbeat >12" (1992). So it was suitably gussied up with a bunch of drum 'n bass >remixes (4 Hero, Peshay), plus others (DeGiorgio, Claude Young). These >were probably released in a barrage of configurations (at least one 12" >and a 10" version), but the CD has everything. Unfortunately, Mo' Wax >dropped the two b-sides that accompanied the Planet E issue that I have >(what I believe to be a later version/pressing on clear vinyl, with >"Nitwit" and "Surreal")... I'm sure one of you Detroit scholars can clear >things up, but the (eventual) point being that those b-sides are certainly >worth your while. >
Actually, just being nitpicky here but the Bassbin cd on MoWax did not contain ALL the remixes from the various vinyl remix eps. The one remix it is missing is the Claude Young 31st Century Jazz mix from the 10" which is, by far, the best Bassbin remix of them all. The cd did contain another Claude Young mix but unfortunately not the 31st Century Jazz mix. Here is the skinny: . Innerzone Orchestra: Bug In The Bass Bin 12" (Planet E/PE107696SAE) A1. Original Mix B1. Jazz Mix (Carl Craig) . Innerzone Orchestra: Bug In The Bass Bin 12" (MoWax/MW049) A1. Original Mix (Carl Craig) A2. Peshays Bonus Beats (Peshay) B1. Jazz Mix (Carl Craig) . Innerzone Orchestra: Bug In The Bass Bin Remix 12" (MoWax/MW049X) A1. 4 Hero Mix A2. Peshay Mix B1. Street Mix (Carl Craig) B2. Future/Past (Kirk Degiorgio) . Innerzone Orchestra: Bug In The Bass Bin Limited 10" (MoWax/MWO49N) A. 31st Century Jazz Mix (Claude Young) (Limited to 3000 copies) . Innerzone Orchestra: Bug In The Bass Bin CD (MoWax/MW049CD) 1. Original Mix 2. Jazz Mix (Carl Craig) 3. Street Mix (Carl Craig) 4. 4 Hero Mix 5. Graphic Dub (Claude Young 6. Future/Past Mix (Kirk Degiorgio) 7. Peshay Mix . Intergalactic Bonus comp 12" (Planet E/PEVARI2) A. Innerzone Orchestra: Bug in a Bassbin B1. Nitwit B2. Surreal And there you have it. -->-Lance--- mclance@nacs.net lance@inaudible.com p.o. box 450715 westlake, ohio 44145 united states
1999-04-15 04:38Lance C McGannonAt 12:35 AM 4/15/99 -0400, you wrote: > >Actually, just being nitpicky here but the Bassbi
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At 12:35 AM 4/15/99 -0400, you wrote:
quoted 9 lines Actually, just being nitpicky here but the Bassbin cd> >Actually, just being nitpicky here but the Bassbin cd >on MoWax did not contain ALL the remixes from the various >vinyl remix eps. The one remix it is missing is the Claude >Young 31st Century Jazz mix from the 10" which is, by >far, the best Bassbin remix of them all. The cd did contain >another Claude Young mix but unfortunately not the >31st Century Jazz mix. >
Actually i just noticed that the Bug in a Bassbin cd is also missing one of the Peshay mixes, Peshays Bonus Beats remix, as well. So there are two Bug remixes not on the cd. -->-Lance--- mclance@nacs.net lance@inaudible.com p.o. box 450715 westlake, ohio 44145 united states
1999-04-14 15:44Andrew Duke Cognition/In The MixJohn Beltran has recorded an album as Indio that will be released on Derrick May's Detroit
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John Beltran has recorded an album as Indio that will be released on Derrick May's Detroit based Transmat label in June or July. It's a mix of techno pieces and more chilled stuff. Carl Craig has recorded an album of more experimental/jazzy stuff as Innerzone Orchestra that will be out on Talkin' Loud in the UK, and then out later in North America. Craig runs the Planet E label out of Detroit and for years was branded "Derrick May's prodigy" cos they did some stuff years back for a while together. hope this helps andrwe :) Kelley Hackett wrote:
quoted 10 lines Listening to the comments from many of you, I continue to C that I am> Listening to the comments from many of you, I continue to C that I am > extremely new to IDM, and Ambient? Here is the thing: > > Although this can not be considered IDM or Ambient, but his music is > Hella--can anyone tell more about John Beltran & or Carl Craig. Yes, I > know that they are placed in the Detroit Techno-vein, and perhaps > rightfully so, but some of John's Trax are stellar(and can perhaps be > cross-meshed with the two). Any info is greatly appreciated! > > Von-O-Him B-jr!
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