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1999-04-13 17:38Jeremy A.Smith (idm) Re: idm-digest V2 #616
1999-04-13 17:38Jeremy A.Smith (idm) Re: idm-digest V2 #616
1999-04-13 17:38Jeremy A.Smith (idm) Re: idm-digest V2 #616
1999-04-14 20:15Noah Sasso (idm) Re: idm-digest V2 #616
└─ 1999-04-14 20:41Moonlight Re: (idm) Re: idm-digest V2 #616
└─ 1999-04-14 20:46laerm Re: (idm) Re: idm-digest V2 #616
1999-04-14 20:59Will Samuels Re: (idm) Re: idm-digest V2 #616
└─ 1999-04-14 21:11Moonlight Re: (idm) Re: idm-digest V2 #616
└─ 1999-04-15 00:54alan r lucas (idm) re: windowlicker
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1999-04-13 17:38Jeremy A.Smith> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 16:39:27 -0400 > From: Marc 3 Poirier <mpoirier@virtu.sar.usf.edu
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quoted 7 lines Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 16:39:27 -0400> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 16:39:27 -0400 > From: Marc 3 Poirier <mpoirier@virtu.sar.usf.edu> > Subject: (idm) "Essex Fobbie" > > Since the new Aphex Twin single has come out & it's completely clear now > that the "Essex Fobbie" song is not on it & that the song was a joke, I'm > wondering if the person who supplied it would be willing to say who
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quoted 3 lines made it & where it came from. As I figured, the email address of the> made it & where it came from. As I figured, the email address of the > person (yelrick@audiophile.com) is no longer active, so I'm just writing > here in case maybe that person reads this list.
I read a rumor that it was Phil Hartnoll from Orbital who did it as a joke. Jeremy.
1999-04-13 17:38Jeremy A.Smith> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 16:39:27 -0400 > From: Marc 3 Poirier <mpoirier@virtu.sar.usf.edu
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quoted 7 lines Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 16:39:27 -0400> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 16:39:27 -0400 > From: Marc 3 Poirier <mpoirier@virtu.sar.usf.edu> > Subject: (idm) "Essex Fobbie" > > Since the new Aphex Twin single has come out & it's completely clear now > that the "Essex Fobbie" song is not on it & that the song was a joke, I'm > wondering if the person who supplied it would be willing to say who
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quoted 3 lines made it & where it came from. As I figured, the email address of the> made it & where it came from. As I figured, the email address of the > person (yelrick@audiophile.com) is no longer active, so I'm just writing > here in case maybe that person reads this list.
I read a rumor that it was Phil Hartnoll from Orbital who did it as a joke. Jeremy.
1999-04-13 17:38Jeremy A.Smith> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 16:39:27 -0400 > From: Marc 3 Poirier <mpoirier@virtu.sar.usf.edu
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quoted 7 lines Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 16:39:27 -0400> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 16:39:27 -0400 > From: Marc 3 Poirier <mpoirier@virtu.sar.usf.edu> > Subject: (idm) "Essex Fobbie" > > Since the new Aphex Twin single has come out & it's completely clear now > that the "Essex Fobbie" song is not on it & that the song was a joke, I'm > wondering if the person who supplied it would be willing to say who
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quoted 3 lines made it & where it came from. As I figured, the email address of the> made it & where it came from. As I figured, the email address of the > person (yelrick@audiophile.com) is no longer active, so I'm just writing > here in case maybe that person reads this list.
I read a rumor that it was Phil Hartnoll from Orbital who did it as a joke. Jeremy.
1999-04-14 20:15Noah Sasso>The whole idea of experimentation points back to how scientists work -- >you find one goo
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quoted 5 lines The whole idea of experimentation points back to how scientists work -->The whole idea of experimentation points back to how scientists work -- >you find one good thing by eliminating a whole shitload of really bad >things. That means some of the trial balloons you float will turn >out to be lead, but you can't be sure which ones. You have to depend >on the merciful amnesia of history to blot out your mistakes.
i think the music that is in question here was noisey "avant garde" music, which is not really experimental anymore, considering the number of artists working in that genre now. hardly anything discused on this list is experimental per se; it would have been at one time, but there's plenty of autechre, aphex, black dog sound-a-likes around now. there is experimentING, but i wouldn't say that much of this music is experimentAL. not that i consider that a bad thing at all.. music doesn't have to be completely new and unique to be enjoyable.
quoted 5 lines To say that experimental music is 'easy' is like that skit in Monty>To say that experimental music is 'easy' is like that skit in Monty >Python where they show you how you play the flute -- you blow across >that bit there and move your fingers over those other bits down there. >It looks easy when your comprehension of what's involved is >shallow.
experimental music is not easy, of course.. making music that is different than anything else you have ever heard before is probably one of the more difficult things that anyone can do. but making music by distorting and looping garbage noise, or applying endless effects to create soundscapes, is not experimenting anymore. it's working within a genre.. and, as a genre, i'd have to agree that it is probably easier to get acceptable results than something that relies more on classic music theory.. music with harmony and melody and structure i mean. call me a stickler for tradition, feh. noah
1999-04-14 20:41MoonlightI would consider "Windowlicker" experimental. Definitely throwing the fans for a loop by m
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I would consider "Windowlicker" experimental. Definitely throwing the fans for a loop by making disco that sounds like no other disco, and they weren't disco fans to begin with. I really don't see anything that anticipates "Windowlicker"; it seems to be experimental by being more traditionally musical.
quoted 3 lines hardly anything discused on this list is>hardly anything discused on this list is >experimental per se; . . . . there is experimentING, >but i wouldn't say that much of this music is experimentAL.
_________________________________ Adam Roesch / roesch@augsburg.edu Augsburg College / Minneapolis / MN / USA http://dogbert.augsburg.edu/~roesch/ The world's most complete Pork Recordings/Fila Brazillia site: http://dogbert.augsburg.edu/~roesch/pork/ "The only disease we need in our blood is love" TRICKY
1999-04-14 20:46laermOn Wed, 14 Apr 1999, Moonlight wrote: > I would consider "Windowlicker" experimental. > De
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On Wed, 14 Apr 1999, Moonlight wrote:
quoted 5 lines I would consider "Windowlicker" experimental.> I would consider "Windowlicker" experimental. > Definitely throwing the fans for a loop by making disco that sounds like > no other disco, and they weren't disco fans to begin with. I really > don't see anything that anticipates "Windowlicker"; it seems to be > experimental by being more traditionally musical.
well, perhaps the reason noone discusses truly experimental music on this list is because we get flamed for being pretentious when we do. * #### a disturbance in a system. #### laerm. @voicenet.com ##:# to breathe within the system/the speed of light is yours icq: 5562209 how many angels? how many angels?
1999-04-14 20:59Will Samuels--- Moonlight <roesch@augsburg.edu> wrote: > I would consider "Windowlicker" experimental.
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--- Moonlight <roesch@augsburg.edu> wrote:
quoted 8 lines I would consider "Windowlicker" experimental.> I would consider "Windowlicker" experimental. > Definitely throwing the fans for a loop by making > disco that sounds like no > other disco, and they weren't disco fans to begin > with. I really don't see > anything that anticipates "Windowlicker"; it seems > to be experimental by > being more traditionally musical.
I love this experimental disco. Excuse me but what is so experimental about Windowlicker? It's a pretty tame, and not that experimental track in my opinion. Just curious _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
1999-04-14 21:11MoonlightWell, he's discarded everything that he had sounded like before that, and made something t
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Well, he's discarded everything that he had sounded like before that, and made something that's incredibly accessible considering his fanbase. I can think of nothing that's similar to it at all. "Essex Fobbie" would have been a typical RDJ track, more of the same stuff, but I picture "Windowlicker" as "linearly independent" (probably because i'm a math geek) to the rest of the music he (and prob. anyone else) has produced. It's like a punk rocker doing a pop song that's clearly pop and definitely a new kind of pop. Experimentally tame and accessible. (I think i'm repeating myself.) At 01:59 PM 4/14/99 -0700, you wrote:
quoted 4 lines I love this experimental disco. Excuse me but what is>I love this experimental disco. Excuse me but what is >so experimental about Windowlicker? It's a pretty >tame, and not that experimental track in my opinion. >Just curious
_________________________________ Adam Roesch / roesch@augsburg.edu Augsburg College / Minneapolis / MN / USA http://dogbert.augsburg.edu/~roesch/ The world's most complete Pork Recordings/Fila Brazillia site: http://dogbert.augsburg.edu/~roesch/pork/ "The only disease we need in our blood is love" TRICKY
1999-04-15 00:54alan r lucashmm... i though windowlicker would have sounded right at home as another remix of come to
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hmm... i though windowlicker would have sounded right at home as another remix of come to daddy. he's been doing the fucked up vocal thing since RDJ (or girl/boy ep, if you prefer, but that really *was* singing), and this seemed to be an extension of that to me. as far as accessibility, i don't think it's any more or less accessible than a lot of his other stuff. it's just that now he has more of a name, and it's being pushed by sire. i think girl/boy song is way more accessible than windowlicker (i always imagine what it would sound like for a marching band arrangement - there's potential there, especially when the xylophones kick in. and it would give those kids something to do with those quad and trip drums), but that was back in '96, and maybe sire didn't need the money as badly. either way, i think it's pretty nifty. i'm just interested in what a whole album's worth of material is going to sound like. alan! On Wed, 14 Apr 1999, Moonlight wrote:
quoted 11 lines Well, he's discarded everything that he had sounded like before that, and> Well, he's discarded everything that he had sounded like before that, and > made something that's incredibly accessible considering his fanbase. > > I can think of nothing that's similar to it at all. > "Essex Fobbie" would have been a typical RDJ track, more of the same stuff, > but I picture "Windowlicker" as "linearly independent" (probably because > i'm a math geek) to the rest of the music he (and prob. anyone else) has > produced. It's like a punk rocker doing a pop song that's clearly pop and > definitely a new kind of pop. Experimentally tame and accessible. > (I think i'm repeating myself.) >