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Re: (idm) Re: Reynolds' most overrated music of 1998 (IDM, anyone?)

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1999-04-11 12:42Greg Earle (idm) Re: Reynolds' most overrated music of 1998 (IDM, anyone?)
1999-04-11 13:27Re: (idm) Re: Reynolds' most overrated music of 1998 (IDM, anyone?)
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1999-04-11 12:42Greg EarleBob Bannister eloquently wrote: > I bet he's concerned with "geektronica" to the extent th
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(idm) Re: Reynolds' most overrated music of 1998 (IDM, anyone?)
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Bob Bannister eloquently wrote:
quoted 18 lines I bet he's concerned with "geektronica" to the extent that he'd love> I bet he's concerned with "geektronica" to the extent that he'd love > another of the terms he coins to enter the general vocabulary (when was the > last time any of you said "neurofunk"?). > > However, you're quite right - I don't know how old he is, but > psychologically at least, Reynolds is very much part of the generation of > rock critics (Christgau, Greil Marcus et al.) that came of age in the late > 60's, during the few years in which some of the most interesting music the > counterculture had to offer was also the most popular and actually appeared > in the pop charts. > > That crowd has never quite gotten over the fact that that is no longer the > case (Xgau coined the term "semi-popular" in the 70s), not least because > the leftist bias they bring to all music criticism requires that the music > reach the broadest cross-section of "the people" to effect its real work > which is some half-baked half-century old notion of "revolution" that has > nothing to do with the aesthetics of music (sorry, this a well-worn soap > box but I'm happy to climb on for a moment).
Bravo! Truer words were never spoken. I would point out, however, that Reynolds was born in 1963, so he's only 35, not 50-something like the aforementioned crew. And, unlike them, he at least gives products of rave culture some credence, which none of them ever do ... (to the L.A. Times' Robert Hilburn, Electronica outside Prodigy, Chemical Brothers and Underworld simply doesn't exist - no sales or mass popularity == no currency in his worldview, as Bob stated)
quoted 12 lines Of course, this crudely Marxist scenario really requires lyrics to convey> Of course, this crudely Marxist scenario really requires lyrics to convey > its message so IDM and all electronic music without vocals is always at > odds with this worldview, except for populist assumptions about dance music > (you snooty middle-class intellectuals prefer to appreciate your music from > an armchair while the salt of the earth sweats it out on the dance-floor). > The standard issue rock-crit in this mold paid lip-service to Chicago house > and Detroit techno because of the non-white, urban and gay cred that came > along with it, but ultimately the NY/LA hip-hop axis gave them a lot more > verbal fuel and (aside from mainstream rock - by which I mean "alternative") > it dominates the Village Voice critics poll and similar US institutions, > where IDM is still virtually non-existent - this continues to make The Wire > look good by comparison.
Indeed ... I think I'll e-mail this post to Robert Hilburn ... IDM post of the year :-) - Greg
1999-04-11 13:27Echophoria@aol.comIs everyone familiar with the notorious JoJo Dancer/MC House Shooz/The Gay Rapper "1998 Ro
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Is everyone familiar with the notorious JoJo Dancer/MC House Shooz/The Gay Rapper "1998 Rock Critical List?" The '98RCL is a relentless verbal tirade launched against the sacred cows of the industry, and JoJo's vituperative spew has the rock-crit world a-titter. It also has many a flabby has-been calling for JoJo's blood. The full text, which veers uneasily from the sublime and trenchant to the petty and infantile, has been posted on the Spin Magazine website, leading many to believe that Spin's senior editor, Charles Aaron, is the spiteful "JoJo." JoJo apparently shares enough of Aaron's verbal quirks and personal vendettas; though there is also the likely possibility that JoJo's rant is a meticulous attempt at framing Aaron. See last week's Village Voice for an in-depth discussion. So here's what JoJo has to say about Our Boy Simon. Almost merciful compared to the thrashing that Kodwo Eshun, the symbiotic other-half of the tiny Reynolds/Eshun Mutual Admiration Society, receives... SIMON REYNOLDS. (ex-SPIN, author of GENERATION ECSTASY: Into the World of Techno and Rave Culture). Proudly, almost militantly, ignorant of American post-punk and alternative rock, not to mention hip hop, this shaggily taciturn, rave-glazed Englishman somehow managed to helm the record reviews section of SPIN for almost a year. How? Because it was assumed by outsiders and oldsters that Reynolds was the chosen oracle of "electronica," and if anyone had the key to unlocking its Next Big Thingness, it would be Simon Sez. Unfortunately, Reynolds resents any term he doesn't coin himself, so "electronica," unlike his still-born babies "post-rock" and "neuro-funk," was, per Simon, a tiresome sham by which he refused to be sullied. His editorial imperative boiled down to a dour import column and page after page of hip hop record reviews by an army of aggressively misinformed British fuckheads. On more familiar ground with the release of GENERATION ECSTASY, Reynolds slipped back into his role as heady, raver-rific tour guide-popping Es, worshipping speaker cabinets, and blabbering about post-structuralism. As a history of rave culture, his book is good, clean pretentious fun-an authoritatively info-crammed, Eurocentric fan's notes (though his decision to exclude hip hop is a fatal flaw, he apparently doesn't give a shit). As a cultural manifesto, however, which is how Reynolds would obviously like it to be viewed, GENERATION ECSTASY is a long, breathless slog; its adjective-addled, "post-human" theorizing about the pre-eminence of sensation over identity is repetitive and tiring. No writer has ever made dance music seem so hysterically important, yet so impenetrably dull. If you look beyond the vitriol, it does put Reynolds' self-important crusade into perspective. I thought JoJo's dismissal of that most withering of sacred cows, The WIRE, was also amusing. and dead-on. THE MY-AREN'T-WE-SMART-BOYS-WITH-OUR-TOYS? AWARD: Of course, it's the British trainspotter's catechism THE WIRE, a monthly logjam of the most defensively arrogant, humorously dense, and gleefully school-marmish verbiage (David Toop excepted) you'll hopefully never encounter in any other music magazine. After institutionalizing the annoying Euro catchphrase "electronica," lapping up everything DJ Spooky ever mumbled, and trashing rock-damaged Americans for not inducting Lamonte Young into the Baseball Hall of Fame, they just keep on droning. Special shout-out to distressed beat-writers Peter Shapiro and Kodwo Eshun (who repeatedly express disgust over the lack of critical appreciation for the music they adore): If your prose skills ever remotely approached your passion for the sounds in question, then we could chat. Until then, take your banal hyperbole and sod off. Do read the rest of JoJo's attacks. The full text can be found here: http://www.spin.com/poplife/koolthing/art%2D19990326%2Dkoo1/page2.html <CENTER> <A HREF="http://www.spin.com/poplife/koolthing/art%2D19990326%2Dkoo1/page2.html"> JoJo hyperlink </A></CENTER> mr. e. np: jimmy giuffre 3: emphasis, stuttgart 1961 (hat ART)