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quoted 1 line ...What kills most e-coms for me is that alot of people aren't

>>...What kills most e-coms for me is that alot of people aren't

critical

quoted 3 lines enough or just hype anything remotely IDM-oriented. Reading great

>>enough or just hype anything remotely IDM-oriented. Reading great >>things about mediocre music makes me wary about trusting opinions on >>the list. Stop polishing turds...

You're making a mistake in assuming that anyone agrees on what good music is-there may be a consensus to some artists but I've definitely been hyped about some shit that I don't dare mention on this list. My personal approach is to find people who like similar things and also just to gain awareness for my next listening session at the store. A review is nothing more than an attention getter than a bible. David Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

quoted 6 lines ...What kills most e-coms for me is that alot of people aren't

>>>...What kills most e-coms for me is that alot of people aren't >critical >>>enough or just hype anything remotely IDM-oriented. Reading great >>>things about mediocre music makes me wary about trusting opinions on >>>the list. Stop polishing turds... >

Funny; I find people to be a bit *over*-critical of things in general, especially in electronic-music circles. There's a definite spirit of cooler-than-you-ness that hangs over people in any alternative (is it safe to use that word yet? the nineties are almost finished) music "scene"; it's not nearly as bad on this list as in other places, though. Most all folks here tend to be honest about their opinions on things, rather than buying into the emperor's new clothes or ripping on established artists just because they're considered passe at the moment. Hearing something get slammed doesn't really bother me. Instead, it assures me that people aren't just blindly eating up whatever's thrown at them; if something stinks, it will be known. I rarely read actual "record reviews", but I do find discussion groups like this one to be an absolute priceless resource for finding new stuff. In fact, at this very moment I'm making a cdrom of the list archives off hyperreal just so I can search them at a moment's notice for people's opinions on records right after they came out, etc. (I'm still catching up on stuff that was released years ago). Plus there's always the "I really like ________, what else should I check out?" chatter. It's the next best thing to actually hearing the material in question. IMHO. Whatever

---Warp Yourself <idmr4real@hotmail.com> wrote:

quoted 10 lines ...What kills most e-coms for me is that alot of people aren't

> > >>...What kills most e-coms for me is that alot of people aren't > critical > >>enough or just hype anything remotely IDM-oriented. Reading great > >>things about mediocre music makes me wary about trusting opinions on > >>the list. Stop polishing turds... > > You're making a mistake in assuming that anyone agrees on what good > music is-there may be a consensus to some artists but I've definitely > been hyped about some shit that I don't dare mention on this list.

Well I certainly know that not everyone comes from the same background and might not be as knowledgeable as some. So opinions will vary. Alot of times the hype seems to be a group think, where lots of people assume that it is slightly IDM sounding than it must be good. And then there are some people that just don't want to take the time to disagree, because they don't want to get caught in a thread or waste the amount of time to state their opinion. I would prefer that people were a little more critical, instead of flag waving because it sounds sort of like something that is good. I've also noticed in past threads that alot of people won't admit their true feelings about a release, because they like the past work of the artists. I remember one guy agree with me totally about something, but thought he should say anything negative about the release because of fear that he might turn off new people to the artist. There is nothing wrong with saying this artist has done some great stuff, but this particular ep or lp is not.

quoted 1 line My personal approach is to find people who like similar things and

> My personal approach is to find people who like similar things and

also

quoted 1 line just to gain awareness for my next listening session at the store.

> just to gain awareness for my next listening session at the store.

Agreed, I never buy things blindly anymore..unless it is an artists or label that I generally trust. I've been disappointed to often to just buy blindly. Still it surprises me what gets hyped....alot of it is pretty weak. I guess some are desperate to find new stuff that fits a IDM-ish format.

quoted 1 line A review is nothing more than an attention getter than a bible.

> A review is nothing more than an attention getter than a bible.

Yeah, but sometimes the bible thumping gets a little loud and is about at trustworthy as tel-evangelists. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

--Alex Reynolds <reynolda@sas.upenn.edu> wrote:

quoted 8 lines will,

> > will, > > >Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 21:43:12 -0800 (PST) > >From: Will Samuels <w_technoir@yahoo.com> > >Subject: Re: (idm) Jega slaggin' and some other stuff..... > > > >...What kills most e-coms for me is that alot of people aren't

critical

quoted 6 lines enough or just hype anything remotely IDM-oriented. Reading great

> >enough or just hype anything remotely IDM-oriented. Reading great > >things about mediocre music makes me wary about trusting opinions on > >the list. Stop polishing turds... > > briefly, i recall a bit from 'retina' -- an electronic music zine from > baltimore -- stating its review policy: (this is from memory, mind

you)

quoted 1 line "why waste time and paper reviewing shitty records? we only publish

> "why waste time and paper reviewing shitty records? we only publish

reviews

quoted 1 line of stuff we think is legitimately good music."

> of stuff we think is legitimately good music."

That's a good policy! Often the magazines say good things about free stuff they review. I have nothing but good things to say about Magic Feet because I think they are pretty critical and credible!

quoted 1 line barring the odd warning about a real stinker of a release (where the

> barring the odd warning about a real stinker of a release (where the

hell

quoted 1 line were you people when 'urmur bile trax' came out?) i think this is a

> were you people when 'urmur bile trax' came out?) i think this is a

very

quoted 1 line good policy.

> good policy.

I was on the list then but never hyped that. I've already said this in another post, i really disagree with alot of people's attitudes that a popular IDM artist can do no wrong (meaning low quality control).

quoted 2 lines i don't know about others on the list, but in my fast-paced,

> i don't know about others on the list, but in my fast-paced, > adrenalin-fueled lifestyle, in order to keep up with what's going on

i have

quoted 1 line to quickly scan the IDM digest for news on artists i know, and then

> to quickly scan the IDM digest for news on artists i know, and then

-- if i

quoted 1 line have time -- read the well-written, well-thought-out reviews of

> have time -- read the well-written, well-thought-out reviews of

artists i'm

quoted 1 line not familiar with.

> not familiar with.

I read part of the emails from this list and other lists. Read emails from record stores and read mags if I have the time. Luckily, I live close to some good record stores and can listen to most stuff that I am looking for. So I don't really too heavily merely on posts...thank goodness.

quoted 1 line perhaps people are not so handy with the proverbial golden shovel so

> perhaps people are not so handy with the proverbial golden shovel so

much

quoted 1 line as you disagree with their pov. consider moving on and reading the

> as you disagree with their pov. consider moving on and reading the

reviews

quoted 1 line from those you trust to share your perspective. surely there is

> from those you trust to share your perspective. surely there is

*someone*

quoted 1 line on the list with similar taste in music?

> on the list with similar taste in music?

Certainly there are some people whose opinions I value over others. They are usually on the same lists (IDM, 313, G-Tech) that I am on. And then there are some locals on the list that share their music with others. Cheers _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com