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Squarepusher does not equal Jega Jega does not equal Squarepusher______Repeat after me. How many electro tinged tracks do you hear on Squarepusher's albums??? I can't remember any, can you? Dylan's sound (and TJs) is bloody original enough to stand on its own. shift. To me Intron.ix is incredibly effective hard drum'n'bass::That Dune sample owns me...and when that hard break hits....you better watch your timid ass! Madness! shift. miss trinitron, I'm sure you realize this but I'll remind you anyway because, hey, we're all friends here :]--> not every producer chooses to use 'production values'::::is v/vm's output shitty because it sounds murky and whacked out? NO! because that's what they want it to sound like... shift. Fuck grooverider and his sony money--most 'top' djs wouldn't play the 'pusher let alone Jega. shift. Realize that this is Jega's FIRST album, following two eps....how many artists out there produce a perfect album the first try?? Hell, this album isn't even in my all-time top ten, but it definitely made my top five from last year. Easily some of the freshest tunes in a while, drill'n'bass included....I think my tender spot's healing now.... Please understand that I can give a fuck if you don't like Jega, but hell he ain't exactly making shite, fluffy r'n'b either is he? Peepz gotta lay off some. **If you see the noton millenium cd's anywhere, swallow the price, eat light for a week, and buy the mofo's....worth every penny. Note: my opinion generated solely upon purchase of the glourious premiere, Komet; however, knowing that Vaisanen's up next you shoudn't worry about the quality dipping at all. Fine-ly, the cd sure looks purdy all clear on the outer half, like.** + a final gripe:: there are too many people on this list ready to ask questions before they even look for answers on their own....DIY, novel concept that. Cheers. @nd. np. ancient turntable feedback. p.s. I too bow to the Teknomajikal tower::LSP-LSD forever!! BTW, this album's very 'un-dub' which in no way makes it less spliff-friendly. trust me.

On Tue, 16 Mar 1999 18:41:40 -0500, you wrote:

quoted 6 lines I'm sure you realize this but I'll remind you anyway because, hey, we're al

>I'm sure you realize this but I'll remind you anyway because, hey, we're all >friends here :]--> not every producer chooses to use 'production >values'::::is v/vm's output shitty because it sounds murky and whacked out? >NO! because that's what they want it to sound like... shift. Fuck >grooverider and his sony money--most 'top' djs wouldn't play the 'pusher let >alone Jega.

you're right about tj because his stuff is way too spiky. but the bits on that album when jega is blatantly trying to make a genre track, a 'cookie-cutter' tune as some people have called it, which i have nothing against incidentally, to me fall flat on their face because no decent dj would play them in a club - the production is so poor you couldn't mix it with anything else.

quoted 2 lines Realize that this is Jega's FIRST album, following two

>Realize that this is Jega's FIRST album, following two >eps....how many artists out there produce a perfect album the first try??

would you like that list in alphabetical or chronological order? <waves>

little miss trinitron wrote:

quoted 4 lines Realize that this is Jega's FIRST album, following two

> >Realize that this is Jega's FIRST album, following two > >eps....how many artists out there produce a perfect album the first try?? > > would you like that list in alphabetical or chronological order?

I don't see that it dignifies anybody on this list to continually have to go to bat for artists they appreciate. A negative review of an album is one thing, but "slagging" is another, and that is exactly what is going on. The unbridled arrogance of this statement quoted above, from my point of view, is exactly what kills most e-communications, especially discussion groups. The sad fact is that most folks don't even realize they're doing it (like myself, often). I try to keep such caustic and asinine remarks to a minimum. I don't think it's too much to ask from the rest of humanity. But then again, it is so very easy to complain. Let's see it in alphabetical order, please. Tom

On Wed, 17 Mar 1999 01:21:12 -0600, you wrote:

quoted 1 line how many artists out there produce a perfect album the first try??

>> >how many artists out there produce a perfect album the first try??

quoted 1 line would you like that list in alphabetical or chronological order?

>> would you like that list in alphabetical or chronological order?

quoted 6 lines I don't see that it dignifies anybody on this list to continually have to go

>I don't see that it dignifies anybody on this list to continually have to go >to bat for artists they appreciate. A negative review of an album is one >thing, but "slagging" is another, and that is exactly what is going on. The >unbridled arrogance of this statement quoted above, from my point of view, is >exactly what kills most e-communications, especially discussion groups. The >sad fact is that most folks don't even realize they're doing it (like myself, often).

i don't understand, what's arrogant about it? you ask me how many people make great first albums, and i say 'fucking loads', which is true. what's up with that?

quoted 1 line Let's see it in alphabetical order, please.

>Let's see it in alphabetical order, please.

right.. 808 state (continued later) <waves>

On Wed, 17 Mar 1999 02:42:18 -0800, you wrote:

quoted 1 line .how many artists out there produce a perfect album the first try??

>>.how many artists out there produce a perfect album the first try??

quoted 1 line would you like that list in alphabetical or chronological order?

>>would you like that list in alphabetical or chronological order?

quoted 2 lines well, i'll put up money that says Map One wasn't one of them, compilingly

>well, i'll put up money that says Map One wasn't one of them, compilingly >speaking.

so you didn't like it then? how disappointing!

quoted 3 lines The unbridled arrogance of this statement quoted above, from my point of

>>The unbridled arrogance of this statement quoted above, from my point of >>view, is exactly what kills most e-communications, especially discussion groups. >>The sad fact is that most folks don't even realize they're doing it.

quoted 1 line i did. ha.

>i did. ha.

well, you know, it takes a few plays for it to sink in, like that jega record. <waves>

---Tom Millar <tmillar@utkux.utcc.utk.edu> wrote:

quoted 5 lines little miss trinitron wrote:

> > little miss trinitron wrote: > > > >Realize that this is Jega's FIRST album, following two > > >eps....how many artists out there produce a perfect album the

first try??

quoted 4 lines would you like that list in alphabetical or chronological order?

> > > > would you like that list in alphabetical or chronological order? > > I don't see that it dignifies anybody on this list to continually

have to go

quoted 1 line to bat for artists they appreciate. A negative review of an album is

> to bat for artists they appreciate. A negative review of an album is

one

quoted 1 line thing, but "slagging" is another, and that is exactly what is going

> thing, but "slagging" is another, and that is exactly what is going

on. I have to admit that I haven't had the time to properly follow this thread. But I disagree about not slagging something. The amount of HYPE surrounding some artists and labels is sometimes rather ridiculous. It seems like some people either don't really listen to the music or they just absolutely refuse that some idm artists can put out stuff that isn't always brilliant. A certain amount of slagging can cut through some of this BS that you "some" of you guys hype. I couldn't even begin to count the number of times that some people have expressed their discontent, from buying stuff they read was "great". Personally, I think the Jega lp was a big let down after hearing their first single. It's an ok lp IMHO, definitely not one that gets even a medium rotation on my stereo. I thought his tracks on MASK 100 & 200 weren't that great either.

quoted 1 line The unbridled arrogance of this statement quoted above, from my

> The unbridled arrogance of this statement quoted above, from my

point of view, is

quoted 1 line exactly what kills most e-communications, especially discussion

> exactly what kills most e-communications, especially discussion

groups. The

quoted 1 line sad fact is that most folks don't even realize they're doing it

> sad fact is that most folks don't even realize they're doing it

(like myself, often). What kills most e-coms for me is that alot of people aren't critical enough or just hype anything remotely IDM-oriented. Reading great things about mediocre music makes me wary about trusting opinions on the list. Stop polishing turds.

quoted 1 line I try to keep such caustic and asinine remarks to a minimum. I don't

> I try to keep such caustic and asinine remarks to a minimum. I don't

think

quoted 1 line it's too much to ask from the rest of humanity. But then again, it

> it's too much to ask from the rest of humanity. But then again, it

is so very easy to complain.

quoted 1 line Let's see it in alphabetical order, please.

> Let's see it in alphabetical order, please.

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My posts concerning the heap big beatdown Jega was getting were not specifically directed at any one person, except perhaps little miss trinitron. Uh... Just wanted to clear that up. There was some Bola slaggin' going on as well at the time, so that's how he ended up in there, because the criticisms directed at each artist were very similar in certain respects. I'm trying to say two things: one: I like Jega (duh!) and two: Because an album is a disappointment to you is no reason to lambast a producer's musical ethos or style. Criticizing something as "derivative" carries very little weight from my perspective because the amount of external influence detectable in a work of art is relative to the artist as well as the consumer. We may hear a great deal of similarity between two pieces of music that makes us think that the artist is blatantly ripping off somebody else, but for the artist, the music may either be an expansion on a theme they encountered in somebody else's work, a stylistic tribute to the original artist, or an entirely different work that coincidentally sounds very much like something else. Basically, if you want to bitch about BoC sounding like retro Ae wannabe cack, Jega ripping off Squarepusher and/or µ-ziq, and Bola sounding like old '93 style IDM, then you'd best be ready to ream out the Elecktroids as well. (note: if you didn't say these things, then don't assume I'm accusing you of doing so.) All art is derivative as well as our enjoyment of it. Let's try to ignore "hype" and artistic egoism and just discuss the tracks. Speakin' of tracks, you know who makes the best music out there? Tom Millar. I can listen to that guy's music all day. Sometimes subjectivity does get ridiculous... Tom P.S. I have my Aesthetics midterm next Tuesday, so please bear with me.