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1999-03-13 00:26c g (idm) re: free form blanket revolt
1999-03-13 11:59Tom Millar Re: (idm) re: free form blanket revolt
1999-03-13 19:29(idm) Re: free form blanket revolt
1999-03-14 18:52Joda Clement (idm) Re: free form blanket revolt
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1999-03-13 00:26c g> So, if I dislike freeform, it's all about politics and musical conservatism? [..] > poli
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quoted 1 line So, if I dislike freeform, it's all about politics and musical> So, if I dislike freeform, it's all about politics and musical
conservatism? [..]
quoted 2 lines politics and "comfort zones." I'm sure you must be one of the most> politics and "comfort zones." I'm sure you must be one of the most > revolutionary music listeners out there, but don't be making blanket
[..] nah, that's not it at all, sorry about that. just seems that not many really like freeform while he is one of my favorites so i was generally taking out my complaints with all you people. there was probably something good in what i "said" though. right, right, i know, it's a matter of taste... i get tired of the wrong people (in my opinion) receiving the credit (and money in this case) and the right people (who work hard to like express their personality in their music) not getting any. i get something more from freeform than do you.. so we have different styles.. e-mail pretty much kills the type of conversation this can turn into and that i'd like to have about this sort of thing, so i'll stop. so i made a blanket statement and i am revolutionary, yada yoda. christofgib == _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
1999-03-13 11:59Tom MillarTo c g: I understand, if somebody ripped on Carl Craig or Kenny Larkin I would probably do
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To c g: I understand, if somebody ripped on Carl Craig or Kenny Larkin I would probably do the same. Specifics of why Freeform fails to 'complement my imagination', as requested: I originally got into techno because it was these weird sounds, presented in a fast-moving, funky format that fit with my ADD-addled ideals (everything's too slow! everything needs to be choreographed and sped up to 45! Otherwise I'm bored. Bleah.) Freeform fits the "weird sounds" requirement, obviously, but his drum patterns are just too out-there for me and for some reason his compositional style fails to excite my mind. For example, Jega makes me want to get up and DO SOMETHING (Phalanx is my track of choice for my morning wake-up call). Even very slow-paced music, which I've grown to appreciate, gives me motivation. The patterns and sounds of Freeform fail to motivate my base desires in any noticeable manner, something which I demand of all music. If I can't "dance" in some way or another (thinking creatively, slacking off, playing a game, or physically dancing) to a song, I am left unmoved by the music, and that's what Freeform fails to do: move me. It's the same with a great deal of AE's music as well: Amber works for me but most of their tracks seem far too lax in the "expression/representation" dept. to make me 'get on up.' Freeform, along with Ae's later stuff and similar musical experiments inspired by techno, seems to focus too much on playing with sound in a purely clinical sense to light up my bulbs. I demand some form of representation in my art, whether it be blatantly obvious from the production or up to me alone to determine for myself. I can't grasp what Ae (currently) or Freeform are trying to represent and it just annoys me. The same with a lot of contemporary jazz, modernist classical, and such: They're just playing with musical/sonic rules. As a performer and a producer I can appreciate what these people are doing from a technical standpoint but it comes out more as science than art. As a friend of mine likes to conclude his arguments, when losing: Where's the love? Hope that helps, Tom
1999-03-13 19:29"tTm" Lester <stepintime@juno.com>On Sat, 13 Mar 1999 06:59:21 -0500 Tom Millar <tmillar@utkux.utcc.utk.edu> writes: >Freefo
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On Sat, 13 Mar 1999 06:59:21 -0500 Tom Millar <tmillar@utkux.utcc.utk.edu> writes:
quoted 1 line Freeform fits the "weird sounds" requirement, obviously, but his drum>Freeform fits the "weird sounds" requirement, obviously, but his drum
patterns
quoted 1 line are just too out-there for me and for some reason his compositional>are just too out-there for me and for some reason his compositional
style
quoted 1 line fails to excite my mind. For example, Jega makes me want to get up and>fails to excite my mind. For example, Jega makes me want to get up and
DO
quoted 1 line SOMETHING (Phalanx is my track of choice for my morning wake-up call).>SOMETHING (Phalanx is my track of choice for my morning wake-up call).
word! everybody thinks that Jega is crap after the whole Spectrum bit. funk that! more kids listened to the bad reviewers than the album. Dylan really payed attention to the quality of the record in terms of how good the music formed together, but in doing so he didn't compromise its originality factor. in my eye he was walking the line all the way. i heard how people just wrote it off as some d'n'b record...even the IDM pole for fuk sake. i mean come on /// pay attention damn it. d'n'b scrubert muddle fuber $^&(!(!(!!!%*@$@$!$&^*)&)& booty crab nads&^*#$$#%// ???Ы ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
1999-03-14 18:52Joda ClementOn Sat, 13 Mar 1999 06:59:21 -0500 Tom Millar <tmillar@utkux.utcc.utk.edu> writes: >Freefo
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(idm) Re: free form blanket revolt
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On Sat, 13 Mar 1999 06:59:21 -0500 Tom Millar <tmillar@utkux.utcc.utk.edu> writes: >Freeform fits the "weird sounds" requirement, obviously, but his drum patterns >are just too out-there for me and for some reason his compositional style >fails to excite my mind. For example, Jega makes me want to get up and DO >SOMETHING (Phalanx is my track of choice for my morning wake-up call). word! everybody thinks that Jega is crap after the whole Spectrum bit. funk that! more kids listened to the bad reviewers than the album. Dylan really payed attention to the quality of the record in terms of how good the music formed together, but in doing so he didn't compromise its originality factor. in my eye he was walking the line all the way. I' not going to comment on the overall originality factor on this album, because that's up to the listener to decide, but what is the deal with track 12 Gemini? It soudns EXACTLY like a Squarepusher song. Every last detail of the song is ripped off 100% from Tom Jenkinson. IS it some kind of joke, because it is really painfully obvious. Although I ike Squarepusher, so it's not a bad song. Also track 9 Intron.ix really sounds like a Panacea song, not quite as blatant as Gemini, but it seems like another intended ripoff. Or maybe I am just hearing things, anybody else notice this? -- Gwei-lo, clown prince of crime np: :jamesplotkin:markspybey:- "a peripheral blur" ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1