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1999-03-04 22:09Jeff (idm) Autechre "clones"
├─ 1999-03-04 22:12laerm Re: (idm) Autechre "clones"
└─ 1999-03-04 22:49szalemandre Re: (idm) Autechre "clones"
└─ 1999-03-05 11:41Irene McC (idm) NME Ae quote
1999-03-05 00:20James R McPherson Re: (idm) Autechre "clones"
1999-03-05 02:20James R McPherson (idm) Where are they now?
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1999-03-04 22:09JeffI have noticed that alot of people have been complaining about artist trying to be an Aute
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Thu, 04 Mar 1999 17:09:41 -0500
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I have noticed that alot of people have been complaining about artist trying to be an Autechre knock off (eg. Funkstorung, anything on the MaS and Schematic labels). I think it is unjustified. When Drum and Bass first started coming out and Goldie was at the top of his game, were there not alot of artist who sounded like Goldie?! Just look at all the types of Drum and Bass artist and category's that have been created. My point being is although Autechre were the pioneers of this "type" or "sound" of music the artist who follow are not necessarily Autechre clones. The Autechre sound is now part of a large list of sub-category's under the term "IDM". In my opinion Autechre have been breaking new ground with every release which opens the door to new artist putting a new twist to this sub-category of IDM. Just a comment from the Peanut Gallery.
1999-03-04 22:12laermOn Thu, 4 Mar 1999, Jeff wrote: > I have noticed that alot of people have been complaining
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On Thu, 4 Mar 1999, Jeff wrote:
quoted 5 lines I have noticed that alot of people have been complaining about> I have noticed that alot of people have been complaining about > artist trying to be an Autechre knock off (eg. Funkstorung, anything on > the MaS and Schematic labels). I think it is unjustified. When Drum and > Bass first started coming out and Goldie was at the top of his game, > were there not alot of artist who sounded like Goldie?!
dude, if you think goldie are the end-all and be-all of drum'n'bass, buy some more records. * #### a disturbance in a system. #### laerm. @voicenet.com ##:# it's not a case of doing what's right/it's just the way i feel that matters/tell me i'm wrong/i don't really care icq: 5562209
1999-03-04 22:49szalemandre> I have noticed that alot of people have been complaining about > artist trying to be an
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Thu, 4 Mar 1999 17:49:20 -0500 (EST)
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quoted 12 lines I have noticed that alot of people have been complaining about> I have noticed that alot of people have been complaining about > artist trying to be an Autechre knock off (eg. Funkstorung, anything on > the MaS and Schematic labels). I think it is unjustified. When Drum and > Bass first started coming out and Goldie was at the top of his game, > were there not alot of artist who sounded like Goldie?! Just look at > all the types of Drum and Bass artist and category's that have been > created. My point being is although Autechre were the pioneers of this > "type" or "sound" of music the artist who follow are not necessarily > Autechre clones. The Autechre sound is now part of a large list of > sub-category's under the term "IDM". In my opinion Autechre have been > breaking new ground with every release which opens the door to new > artist putting a new twist to this sub-category of IDM.
although i would agree with your statement in so far as applying it to any other area of music. and here's why i don't think it's applicable to "IDM" or whatever you want to call it. (now, this merely my opinion, and it may be unsupported, but this is how i feel.) every _form_ of music is evolving obviously. but i feel electronic music in general to be evolving _music itself_, taking the whole thing with it. furthermore, i feel the "IDM" sect of electronic (and non-electronic i suppose) music to be the main shaping force/tool. so i also place a lot more responsibility on the makers of "IDM". (there must be another term.) and when i say IDM, i mean music that you can _listen_ to. anyway, when differnt areas of "IDM" start to sound alike, that means it's slowing down. there are richard james's, autechres, black dogs, vulvas, etc etc, (way back to throbbing gristles, etc etc), but when new artists start sounding like old artists, it means it's all slowing down. you can easily listen to a track and say "oh, that's afx", "that's autechre", "that's boards of canada". but a lot of these newer artists don't have such a distinctive style. it's easy to say "hey, is this a new aphex track?" and your friend replies "nope. it's Joey FastTimes. pretty cool, ain't it?" i generally feel that if you're not doing something new with music, if you're not speaking with your own voice, or not at the very least taking an existing 'sound' and pushing it, don't speak at all. i admit that it's elitist. but so what? i guess this sounds pretty much like bullshit, but whatever. i just think the last couple months have been rather tedious as far as music goes. nothing's really been like "BLAM!". i hope it changes up soon. ok, i'm done. -eric ps. a plug for my friend adam: http://www.doubtful.com/artists/fingernail/index.html really quite different music. here's a new review of his album that agrees: http://www.electronicmusic.com/features/reviews/music/homegrown/sobackwards.html --- eric sherman szale@doubtful.com doubtful productions www.doubtful.com
1999-03-05 11:41Irene McCOn 4 Mar 99, szalemandre wrote re: Re: (idm) Autechre "clones": > but when new artists sta
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On 4 Mar 99, szalemandre wrote re: Re: (idm) Autechre "clones":
quoted 2 lines but when new artists start sounding like old artists, it means it's> but when new artists start sounding like old artists, it means it's > all slowing down.
At this point I just have to quote the Nothing release sticker that came on the shrinkwrap of Ae5 : "It's a bloody miracle that Sheffield duo Autechre have any fans at all ... they seem to revel in making life as difficult as possible for themselves whenever possible ... their uncompromisingly experimental stance has become a rallying point for those who still believe it's alternative music's duty to explore uncharted territory whatever the perils." >>> NME I *
1999-03-05 00:20James R McPherson>i generally feel that if you're not doing something new with music, if >you're not speaki
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quoted 5 lines i generally feel that if you're not doing something new with music, if>i generally feel that if you're not doing something new with music, if >you're not speaking with your own voice, or not at the very least >taking >an existing 'sound' and pushing it, don't speak at all. >
I think it's rather unfair to make that statement - what artists are pushing the boundaries and which are not? Is it all in the eye of the beholder? My "pushing" artists will most likely be different than yours. And that is a good thing. But, why must the music be qualified as "progressing" or not? Some songs may not be envelope pushing but still solid. J Majik's Innervisions album was hardly breaking new ground, but I found it to be one of the most satisfying releases of last year. On the other hand, Main's Robert Hampson certainly is pushing the boundaries of sound, which I can appreciate, but I find it rather tedious and disinteresting. I don't want to start a whole personal taste discussion again, but some statements seem a bit slighting to the artists who certainly have given me a lifetime of pleasure, and probably yourselves also. And I am not trying to be over-reactive or pushy. Forgive me if that is the overall tone of the posting. A query while I am at it : Does anyone know where I can find a complete discography of RIchard Brown/Beaumont Hannant? Thanks ahead of time .... J np: the sweet sounds of Dynamo Kiev drawing Real Madrid!!!!!!! ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
1999-03-05 02:20James R McPhersonHow is the new Black Dog album? I've read some reviews that didn't think to highly of it,
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Thu, 04 Mar 1999 21:20:47 EST
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How is the new Black Dog album? I've read some reviews that didn't think to highly of it, but figured if anyone really knew it would be the nice folks on this list ... And, I heard someplace that Spacetime Continuum was to be releasing a new album and touring ( a word I use loosely) sometime this summer ... dates ... places ... appreciated. Thanks again! J np: Trance Europe Express 2 -- whatever happened to Salt Tank, Autocreation, and Pentatonik? ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]