got a cd you would 8REALLY8 like:::]\
and yes i'm serious, all us indie
shoegazey stuff, acceleradeck from
alabama is on there, i ordered two
cdr's of his schtuff, and shchlimeiltz
is it fantastic.
will tape it for you, or encode mp3's
whicheve u/d rathher.
hateher\
/toneE
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>From: idm@hyperreal.org
>To: Tonee
>Subject: idm-digest V2 #555
>Date: Tue, Mar 2, 1999, 3:42 PM
>quoted 317 lines <<< This message is part 3 of a previous message >>>
>
><<< This message is part 3 of a previous message >>>
>
>> No. In my mind I can't get over the owning music that way thing. My
>> computer is great for running a business, but at the end of the day after
>> having spent 10 hours on my computer, I want to go home put on a record
>> and read a book. I don't want to listen to downloaded music while reading
>> something on-line.
>
>i feel the same way, from a different standpoint. maybe i'm just weird,
>but i look at the computer as not for art. production of, yes, but
>transmission of, no. watching movies on your computer or listening to
>music on your cd drive just seems...wrong.
>
> *
> ####
>a disturbance in a system. ####
>laerm. @voicenet.com ##:#
> it's not a case of doing what's right/it's just the way i feel
> that matters/tell me i'm wrong/i don't really care
>
>icq: 5562209
>
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>Date: Tue, 2 Mar 99 13:49:16 -0400
>From: Jeff Waye/Ninja Tune <ninjeff@generation.net>
>Subject: Re: (idm) MP3/consumer fetish (long )
>
>I did point out that I'm all for new technologies getting our music to
>smaller places with no good record stores. I use Jackson as an example
>because it's literally the only place in the U.S we've never soundscanned
>a record (does anyone live in Jackson). I'm spoiled where I live with the
>sheer amount of good record stores, plus frequent business trips to NY to
>max out the credit card at Other Music. It's for the small places that
>we're working on better on-line ordering, etc... I more ment that I think
>it would be sad for a music fan in Manhatten to not go record shopping. I
>quite hope small town kids get beat up in school by raging Korn fans for
>wearing some 'pussy electronic label shirt'.
>
>Jeff
>
>>> Last point with Jeff, I think it's sad that people don't leave the house
>>> to buy records anymore.
>>
>>well, to buy the music i like in stores, i have to travel an hour or so
>>(usually). [extreme points follow] so is that to say that i should start
>>buying top40 because at least i can go into a store and pick it up? should
>>i stop buying your records, jeff and peter, because my local stores don't
>>carry them? ;)
>
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>
>Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 10:52:04 -0800 (PST)
>From: brian <audio@rain.org>
>Subject: Re: (idm) mp3s & you
>
>> I agree, and figure DVD is a way more exciting format. Someone was
>> telling me about a King Crimson DVD where you can replace the different
>> players in King Crimson tracks, ie. if you really preferred Bill
>> Bruford's drumming on '21st Century Schizoid Man' from a earlier concert
>> vs. someone else's on another concert, but Levin's bass playing was just
>> so sweet in that other version then you can put Bruford with Levin,
>> etc... I havn't seen/heard it, but in theory it sounds wicked. I figure
>> audio/visual artists over time will be able to come up with amazing stuff
>> with this much room on a disc to work with. ....and well again, it
>> satisfies my need to 'own'.
>
>i think that, with all new formats, dvd, in it's
>infancy will be prohibitively expensive on the
>production side of things to really work well
>for smaller labels, etc. that being said, i doubt
>we'll see any sort of dvd thing happening on any
>grand scale for quite some time. in the meantime,
>i'm happy to "own" my crates of vinyl and my stacks
>of cds. as for mp3's, i think they are extremely
>useful, but not as a replacement for the real thing.
>they're definetely good for previewing things,
>to see if you like them, and for emerging artists
>to get their material to other people in a format
>that lots of people can hear. i'm all for free
>and artist-controlled distribution, and i think
>that in the end, it will signal quite a positive
>shift in the overall mentality of the music industry.
>as it is now, you don't really need a record company
>to get your stuff out there, and like jeff mentioned,
>we can still pretty much rely on the established
>companies, such as ninjatune, warp, asphodel, etc,
>to be a bullshit filter so that we can spend our
>money wisely, and experiment freely with new
>music.
>
>so there.
>
>brian
>
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>
>Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 14:27:41 EST
>From: DzrtMusic@aol.com
>Subject: Re: (idm) mp3s & you
>
>> in the meantime,
>> i'm happy to "own" my crates of vinyl and my stacks
>> of cds. as for mp3's, i think they are extremely
>> useful, but not as a replacement for the real thing.
>> they're definetely good for previewing things,
>> to see if you like them,
>
>How about if we sold mp3's on little thumb sized chips that you inserted into
>a hardware mp3 player.. then that "replacement" factor would go away wouldn't
>it. hehe
>It's just people like the idea of having their music encapulated, it somehow
>brings a satifaction to them, makes them feel like their getting something
>special somehow.. I need to expand my vocab dammit. that's the thing with all
>you intellectual elitests, you really pride yourselves on your goddamn
>vocabularies.. as if vocab meant jack shit. My best friend was like that.. but
>he wasn't really into music.. unless the situation called for him to be. That
>prententious fake fuck.
>
>~allen
>
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>
>Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 11:48:13 -0800 (PST)
>From: eric hill <ehill@best.com>
>Subject: Re: (idm) mp3s & you
>
>>special somehow.. I need to expand my vocab dammit. that's the thing with all
>>you intellectual elitests, you really pride yourselves on your goddamn
>>vocabularies.. as if vocab meant jack shit. My best friend was like that.. but
>>he wasn't really into music.. unless the situation called for him to be. That
>>prententious fake fuck.
>
>oooookay...
>
>eric
>
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>
>Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 12:17:23 -0800 (PST)
>From: Che <zeus8@synthcom.com>
>Subject: Re: (idm) budakhan mindphone
>
>At 01:36 PM 2/26/99 +0000, nils wrote:
>>fwiw, that review is pretty darn accurate.
>>
>>after 'music is rotted' squarepusher said, and i quote, 'i don't reckon
>i'll use a sequencer again.' so don't go looking for zippy breaks.
>
>The bastard!
>
>Che
>
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>
>Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 12:18:14 -0800 (PST)
>From: Che <zeus8@synthcom.com>
>Subject: Re: (idm) Re: idm-digest V2 #541
>
>At 12:31 PM 2/26/99 -0800, solenoid wrote:
>
>>Reciprocally, I've noticed quite a few of my friends into Stereolab,
>>Krautrock, Kranky label, Windy & Carl, guitar-related "electronica" --
>>say "what" when you talk about Juan Atkins, Derrick May, Carl Craig,
>>Detroit-anything, electro-funk, rap-anything-except-Beasties....
>
>They're obviously LOSERS w/ a capital L. Ditch them NOW, your soul is in
>peril.
>
>Rock n' roll is for OLD PEOPLE.
>
>;-)
>Che
>
>PS Lots of reviews soon...
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 21:22:42 +0100
>From: peter cozijn <pu@dds.nl>
>Subject: Re: (idm) budakhan mindphone
>
>At 12:17 2-03-99 -0800, you wrote:
>>>fwiw, that review is pretty darn accurate.
>>>after 'music is rotted' squarepusher said, and i quote, 'i don't reckon
>>i'll use a sequencer again.' so don't go looking for zippy breaks.
>>The bastard!
>
>well i really don't think so :) - i got the cd in the mail last saturday
>and i've been playing over and over it since. there's 3 or 4 brilliant
>tracks on it. fly street and varkatope are both in-between his 'old' d&b
>and 'new' jazz styles, with some really nice combinations of sounds. the
>first track is nice too, but hasn't got much to do with the rest of the lp.
>plus you can hear the first efforts of tom's gamelan orchestra in two of
>the tracks - what else could you possibly want?
>by far the best sqp release in quite a while imo!
>
>np: andrew weatherall mix from warpnet - which is kinda nice indeed :)
>
> name [~] peter cozijn
> e-mail [~] pu@dds.nl
> habitation [~] lisse, the netherlands
> liusna [~] http://huizen.dds.nl/~pu/liusna
>
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>
>Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 14:30:45 -0600
>From: Ernesto Ikerd <IkerdEA@lmtas.lmco.com>
>Subject: Re: (idm) mp3s & you
>
>>you really pride yourselves on your goddamn
>>vocabularies.
>
>wots a 'mp3' ???
>
>is that that lil sports car like a Miata?
>
>hmmm.
>
>
>Ernesto Ikerd, (817) 763-4795
>Company Graphics, Dept 17, MZ-1156
>Lockheed Martin Tactical Aircraft Systems
>Fort Worth, Texas
>
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>
>Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 15:46:09 -0500 (EST)
>From: Greg Clow <stained@interlog.com>
>Subject: Re: (idm) mp3s & you
>
>On Tue, 2 Mar 1999, Jeff Waye/Ninja Tune wrote:
>
>> From a label perpective, the only pratical use of MP3's that I can see is
>> with promotion. Offering a free advance track on a web site kinda thing.
>> Or allowing journalist to get advance copies via MP3 rather than all
>> those last minute courier fees we pay. But that said, dont think that all
>> those journalist aren't going to want a finished 'real' copy also.
>
>Speaking as a part-time journo - I'll give you an Amen on this one, Jeff.
>
>Like Peter, I don't have an MP3 player on my computer at home or at work.
>Aside from occassionally tuning in to some streaming audio (and that's
>VERY occassionally), I don't use my computer to listen to music. That's
>what my stereo is for. Not to mention that even with my 56k modem,
>downloading files in the several meg range is still a pain in the ass.
>
>So if a label contacted me and said "We'd like you to do an advance review
>of this new So-And-So album, you can get it on MP3 from our website", I'd
>simply reply with "Nope, sorry, I don't do MP3s". If they want the review
>bad enough, they'll have to send me a cassette (and even that is
>inconvenient at times), burn me a CDR or send me a finished copy.
>
>And then there's the person who wrote to ask if I'd play thier stuff on my
>radio show. I said I'd be happy to check it out if they send me something.
>They wrote back and said I could just download the tracks from their
>website, burn myself a CDR and play that. Like, what the FUCK?!? Something
>tells me they're probably not getting a lot of airplay with that sort of
>promo strategy.
>
>To paraphrase Mr. Albini - MP3s are just the rich geek's 8-track.
>
>
>Greg
>
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>
>Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 15:47:10 -0500 (EST)
>From: Sam Frank <samuel.frank@yale.edu>
>Subject: Re: (idm) MP3/consumer fetish (long )
>
>I agree with you completely. I'm just saying that the material format
>(audiophile questions aside, which have been dealt with adequately. MP3
>sucks. Vinyl sucks. CD sucks. We know...)
>shouldn't matter if what you're after is music. MP3 is no better than
>vinyl, except that it opens the way to greater mass availability, once
>everybody has a computer and a fast net connection, blah blah blah
>utopianism blah blah blah
>techno futurism.... It just might be an easier way to
>get music. I think it's a little silly that listening options are limited.
>Obviously, listen to VVM 7 inches if you like them. But the fact that
>they're only released with bizarre packaging and people scramble to get
>them before the supply runs out is indicative of how much we still
>fetishize the packaging over the
>actual music. It's remniscent of a certain kind of elitism that just
>doesn't have to exist any more, because we have the means to get rid of
>it. That's all I'm saying. Listen to what you want!
> And regarding Benjamin... He's so damn cool because he wrote
>around 1920. he's fucking old skool.
>
>Sam
>> or buy vinyl. *If* this is your opinion, I don't think it's true. Many
>> people, even on this list,
>> support and buy vinyl and are *not* djs. Also, I don't think that merely
>> avoiding MP3, that
>> I am *resisting* MP3, I just don't need it. You have said, "to resist MP3s
>> means that you
>> should acknowledge how much you're fetishizing technology, not music."
>> When I listen to
>> music, I listen to *music*. A VVM 7" in all of it's material fetishist
>> glory on colored vinyl
>> and hand packaging does'nt mean *shit* if the music's bad. True? I don't
>> care if it's on *8 track*, Sam.
>> I have a brain enough to discard all pomo theory as to where I fit into the
>> social scheme of music appreciation
>> and make my own decisions. Even with the going to a classical music concert
>> in a tux comment, I can make the choice of whether to listen to the record,
>> the CD,the tape, a live concert, or even perhaps, an MP3?
>> Maybe the music consumer who makes his/her own mind up is the *real* dying
>> breed.
>
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