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1999-02-23 17:04Ernesto Ikerd>He is quiting music to write computer programs to make music - You know, when RDJ says th

From:: Ernesto Ikerd <IkerdEA@lmtas.lmco.com>
To:: Inca Door Mats <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 11:04:51 -0600
Subject:: (idm) aphex twin 'programming'

quoted 1 line He is quiting music to write computer programs to make music -

>He is quiting music to write computer programs to make music -

You know, when RDJ says this crap, what the hell is he talking about? Does he mean he's going to learn SuperCollider really well, or does he write his own compiled code in C or other 'real' language? does he just play with MixMan? Kinda seems to me that a guy who tells you he makes synths out of two sticks and a dog turd would be the same kinda guy who'd says he was 'PROGRAMMING' when he was actually importing porn jpgs into MetaSynth and calling the output the product of his ingenious Artificially Intelligent software... Hed start claiming how in 2001 his creation would become self-aware and demanding he download more smut in order to create a new album. I really didnt feel like participating in yet another Aphex thread but Im curious, ok admittedly on a nerd-level as to his true sophistication in actually programming a computer. To me it sounds like another bluffy-gimmick. but honestly tho, if it sounds good I really dont care - Im merely curious about this. dammit why did I write this :( ernie Ernesto Ikerd, (817) 763-4795 Company Graphics, Dept 17, MZ-1156 Lockheed Martin Tactical Aircraft Systems Fort Worth, Texas

1999-02-24 21:02solenoidOn Tue, 23 Feb 1999, Ernesto Ikerd wrote: > actually programming a computer. To me it soun

From:: solenoid <solenoid@syncopated.net>
To:: Ernesto Ikerd <IkerdEA@lmtas.lmco.com>
Cc:: Inca Door Mats <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 13:02:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject:: Re: (idm) aphex twin 'programming'
Reply to:: (idm) aphex twin 'programming'

On Tue, 23 Feb 1999, Ernesto Ikerd wrote:

quoted 2 lines actually programming a computer. To me it sounds like another

> actually programming a computer. To me it sounds like another > bluffy-gimmick.

why doesn't he just say: "The only good artist is a dead artist. By the way, I'm committing suicide next month, so you might want to invest in my 'final' record." Didn't GG Allin ride this kind of claim for a few years before OD'ing (*offstage* no less!) Maybe RDJ is going to write software, but all he does is claim he will in the future. I once thought HAB1 was going to be his last record for this very reason... solenoid

1999-02-23 17:23Tim MossErnesto Ikerd wrote: > > >He is quiting music to write computer programs to make music - >

From:: Tim Moss <timm@sco.COM>
To:: Ernesto Ikerd <IkerdEA@lmtas.lmco.com>
Cc:: Inca Door Mats <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 17:23:29 +0000
Subject:: Re: (idm) aphex twin 'programming'

Ernesto Ikerd wrote:

quoted 24 lines He is quiting music to write computer programs to make music -

> > >He is quiting music to write computer programs to make music - > You know, when RDJ says this crap, what the hell is he talking about? > > Does he mean he's going to learn SuperCollider really well, or does he > write his own compiled code in C or other 'real' language? does he just > play with MixMan? > > Kinda seems to me that a guy who tells you he makes synths out of two > sticks and a dog turd would be the same kinda guy who'd says he was > 'PROGRAMMING' when he was actually importing porn jpgs into MetaSynth and > calling the output the product of his ingenious Artificially Intelligent > software... Hed start claiming how in 2001 his creation would become > self-aware and demanding he download more smut in order to create a new > album. > > I really didnt feel like participating in yet another Aphex thread but Im > curious, ok admittedly on a nerd-level as to his true sophistication in > actually programming a computer. To me it sounds like another > bluffy-gimmick. but honestly tho, if it sounds good I really dont care - > Im merely curious about this. > > dammit why did I write this :( > ernie

Sounds like you emailer program has become self aware and is posting messages to IDM, pretending to be you! :) Tim PS. Chill Out! dig out GC 76:14, put your feet up and have a snooze doooood! -- ________________________________________________________________________ |Tim Moss SCO Client Integration Development Phone:+44 (0)1223 518034| |Software Vision Park Cambridge CB4 9ZR Fax : +44 (0)1223 518001| |Engineer WWW: http://www.premier.sco.com Mailto:timm@sco.com | |______________________________________________________________________|

1999-02-23 17:28martin woodi read recently he was only interested in programming....as to what and how i dont know...

From:: martin wood <martin.wood@advent-comm.co.uk>
To:: Ernesto Ikerd <IkerdEA@lmtas.lmco.com>, <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 17:28:01 +0000
Subject:: Re: (idm) aphex twin 'programming'

i read recently he was only interested in programming....as to what and how i dont know....ill ask around cos im quite interested (being a programmer, and a musician myself)....what is supercollider?, last i knew it was a particle accelerator that never got built..... maybe he uses CSound.... going a bit off list but.... does anyone know about programming macs (particularly accessing the sound hardware / API 's)... just taken delivery of a G3 in our household, and id like to do some programming on it..(preferably in c/c++) any good url's / books , anything would be useful... cheers martin Ernesto Ikerd wrote:

quoted 28 lines He is quiting music to write computer programs to make music -

> >He is quiting music to write computer programs to make music - > You know, when RDJ says this crap, what the hell is he talking about? > > Does he mean he's going to learn SuperCollider really well, or does he > write his own compiled code in C or other 'real' language? does he just > play with MixMan? > > Kinda seems to me that a guy who tells you he makes synths out of two > sticks and a dog turd would be the same kinda guy who'd says he was > 'PROGRAMMING' when he was actually importing porn jpgs into MetaSynth and > calling the output the product of his ingenious Artificially Intelligent > software... Hed start claiming how in 2001 his creation would become > self-aware and demanding he download more smut in order to create a new > album. > > I really didnt feel like participating in yet another Aphex thread but Im > curious, ok admittedly on a nerd-level as to his true sophistication in > actually programming a computer. To me it sounds like another > bluffy-gimmick. but honestly tho, if it sounds good I really dont care - > Im merely curious about this. > > dammit why did I write this :( > ernie > > Ernesto Ikerd, (817) 763-4795 > Company Graphics, Dept 17, MZ-1156 > Lockheed Martin Tactical Aircraft Systems > Fort Worth, Texas

1999-02-23 17:32Rodney PerkinsI have a 1997 issue of Keyboard where R. D. James claimed to be writing computer programs

From:: Rodney Perkins <rdperkins@earthlink.net>
To:: Ernesto Ikerd <IkerdEA@lmtas.lmco.com>, Inca Door Mats <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 11:32:36 -0600
Subject:: Re: (idm) aphex twin 'programming'

I have a 1997 issue of Keyboard where R. D. James claimed to be writing computer programs in some language of his own invention. If this is true, I imagine he is working within some musical programming environment. The interview is standard Keyboard technical fare ("I use Pro Tools, Recycle, etc.") and I don't doubt *much* of it is true.

quoted 32 lines He is quiting music to write computer programs to make music -

>>He is quiting music to write computer programs to make music - > You know, when RDJ says this crap, what the hell is he talking about? > > Does he mean he's going to learn SuperCollider really well, or does he > write his own compiled code in C or other 'real' language? does he just > play with MixMan? > > Kinda seems to me that a guy who tells you he makes synths out of two > sticks and a dog turd would be the same kinda guy who'd says he was > 'PROGRAMMING' when he was actually importing porn jpgs into MetaSynth and > calling the output the product of his ingenious Artificially Intelligent > software... Hed start claiming how in 2001 his creation would become > self-aware and demanding he download more smut in order to create a new > album. > > I really didnt feel like participating in yet another Aphex thread but Im > curious, ok admittedly on a nerd-level as to his true sophistication in > actually programming a computer. To me it sounds like another > bluffy-gimmick. but honestly tho, if it sounds good I really dont care - > Im merely curious about this. > > dammit why did I write this :( > ernie > > > Ernesto Ikerd, (817) 763-4795 > Company Graphics, Dept 17, MZ-1156 > Lockheed Martin Tactical Aircraft Systems > Fort Worth, Texas > > >

1999-02-23 19:56brian r.At 11:32 AM 2/23/99 -0600, you wrote: >I have a 1997 issue of Keyboard where R. D. James c

From:: brian r. <audio@rain.org>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 11:56:09 -0800
Subject:: Re: (idm) aphex twin 'programming'

At 11:32 AM 2/23/99 -0600, you wrote:

quoted 5 lines I have a 1997 issue of Keyboard where R. D. James claimed to be writing

>I have a 1997 issue of Keyboard where R. D. James claimed to be writing >computer programs in some language of his own invention. If this is true, I >imagine he is working within some musical programming environment. The >interview is standard Keyboard technical fare ("I use Pro Tools, Recycle, >etc.") and I don't doubt *much* of it is true.

i wouldn't doubt that he's using opcode's max as well as supercollider. csound is a bit obtuse to really make the type of music he's making, which could be done in much easier ways than csound. .. brian rachielles kcsb 91.9 fm santa barbara http://www.rain.org/~audio

1999-02-23 18:57little miss trinitronOn Tue, 23 Feb 1999 11:56:09 -0800, you wrote: >i wouldn't doubt that he's using opcode's

From:: little miss trinitron <artist@sub-con-geo.demon.co.uk>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 18:57:55 GMT
Subject:: Re: (idm) aphex twin 'programming'
Reply to:: Re: (idm) aphex twin 'programming'

On Tue, 23 Feb 1999 11:56:09 -0800, you wrote:

quoted 3 lines i wouldn't doubt that he's using opcode's max as well as supercollider.

>i wouldn't doubt that he's using opcode's max as well as supercollider. >csound is a bit obtuse to really make the type of music he's making, >which could be done in much easier ways than csound.

there's not very much (if anything) on the new single that couldn't be achieved with your average bog standard pc/mac plugins such as hyperprism. and there's a lot of NR plugin abuse on it too. many of the samples blatanly use the underwater effect, which is what happens when you over-use spectral analysis NR (on the wrong frequency bands)

1999-02-25 17:23Marc 3 Poirier> >i wouldn't doubt that he's using opcode's max as well as supercollider. > >csound is a

From:: Marc 3 Poirier <mpoirier@virtu.sar.usf.edu>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 12:23:29 -0500
Subject:: Re: (idm) aphex twin 'programming'

quoted 9 lines i wouldn't doubt that he's using opcode's max as well as supercollider.

> >i wouldn't doubt that he's using opcode's max as well as supercollider. > >csound is a bit obtuse to really make the type of music he's making, > >which could be done in much easier ways than csound. > > there's not very much (if anything) on the new single that couldn't be > achieved with your average bog standard pc/mac plugins such as > hyperprism. and there's a lot of NR plugin abuse on it too. many of > the samples blatanly use the underwater effect, which is what happens > when you over-use spectral analysis NR (on the wrong frequency bands)

Shit, man, I heard this Mozart song the other day & I thought it was all awesome until I realised it was just some regular piano in regular tuning. Marc Poirier

1999-02-25 19:15szalemandre> > >i wouldn't doubt that he's using opcode's max as well as supercollider. > > >csound i

From:: szalemandre <octorock@doubtful.com>
To:: Marc 3 Poirier <mpoirier@virtu.sar.usf.edu>
Cc:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 14:15:40 -0500 (EST)
Subject:: Re: (idm) aphex twin 'programming'
Reply to:: Re: (idm) aphex twin 'programming'

quoted 12 lines i wouldn't doubt that he's using opcode's max as well as supercollider.

> > >i wouldn't doubt that he's using opcode's max as well as supercollider. > > >csound is a bit obtuse to really make the type of music he's making, > > >which could be done in much easier ways than csound. > > > > there's not very much (if anything) on the new single that couldn't be > > achieved with your average bog standard pc/mac plugins such as > > hyperprism. and there's a lot of NR plugin abuse on it too. many of > > the samples blatanly use the underwater effect, which is what happens > > when you over-use spectral analysis NR (on the wrong frequency bands) > > Shit, man, I heard this Mozart song the other day & I thought it was all > awesome until I realised it was just some regular piano in regular tuning.

i don't think that was his point. i think what he was trying to say went something like "since it's so much easier to get the results he did by using some standard, easily obtainable products, it's highly unlikely that he used csound or any other 'programming' to write any of those songs. that'd be like synthesizing all of the required chemicals to make your favorite flavor of kool-aide from scratch, from taste alone, which could take months/years maybe (less for the exceptionally skilled) when all you really had to do was go to the local 711, buy it, and mix it up with some sugar." i don't think he was commenting on the results, but the process. -eric --- eric sherman szale@doubtful.com doubtful productions www.doubtful.com

1999-02-25 20:18Marc 3 PoirierAt 02:15 PM 2/25/99 -0500, szalemandre wrote: >> > >i wouldn't doubt that he's using opcod

From:: Marc 3 Poirier <mpoirier@virtu.sar.usf.edu>
To:: <szale@doubtful.com>
Cc:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 15:18:50 -0500
Subject:: Re: (idm) aphex twin 'programming'
Reply to:: Re: (idm) aphex twin 'programming'

At 02:15 PM 2/25/99 -0500, szalemandre wrote:

quoted 24 lines i wouldn't doubt that he's using opcode's max as well as supercollider.

>> > >i wouldn't doubt that he's using opcode's max as well as supercollider. >> > >csound is a bit obtuse to really make the type of music he's making, >> > >which could be done in much easier ways than csound. >> > >> > there's not very much (if anything) on the new single that couldn't be >> > achieved with your average bog standard pc/mac plugins such as >> > hyperprism. and there's a lot of NR plugin abuse on it too. many of >> > the samples blatanly use the underwater effect, which is what happens >> > when you over-use spectral analysis NR (on the wrong frequency bands) >> >> Shit, man, I heard this Mozart song the other day & I thought it was all >> awesome until I realised it was just some regular piano in regular tuning. > >i don't think that was his point. i think what he was trying to say went >something like "since it's so much easier to get the results he did by >using some standard, easily obtainable products, it's highly unlikely that >he used csound or any other 'programming' to write any of those songs. >that'd be like synthesizing all of the required chemicals to make your >favorite flavor of kool-aide from scratch, from taste alone, which could >take months/years maybe (less for the exceptionally skilled) when all you >really had to do was go to the local 711, buy it, and mix it up with some >sugar." > >i don't think he was commenting on the results, but the process.

Yeah, sorry, I think you're right. I guess I'm so used to that other attitude being taken on this list, especially in reference to Aphex Twin, that I was responding to what I was expecting to read & not reading carefully enough to see that there was a subtly different message in the above post. Marc Poirier

1999-02-26 02:02Rjyan C Kidwell>Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 15:18:50 -0500 >From: Marc 3 Poirier <mpoirier@virtu.sar.usf.edu>

From:: Rjyan C Kidwell <cardhore@juno.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 21:02:00 -0500
Subject:: Re: (idm) aphex twin 'programming'

quoted 8 lines Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 15:18:50 -0500

>Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 15:18:50 -0500 >From: Marc 3 Poirier <mpoirier@virtu.sar.usf.edu> >Subject: Re: (idm) aphex twin 'programming' > >>i don't think he was commenting on the results, but the process. > >Yeah, sorry, I think you're right. I guess I'm so used to that other >attitude being taken on this list, especially in reference to Aphex

Twin,

quoted 3 lines that I was responding to what I was expecting to read & not reading

>that I was responding to what I was expecting to read & not reading >carefully enough to see that there was a subtly different message in the >above post.

dude, don't sweat it. your comment was funny as shit. rjck./!)_ armchairbeatarchitecture!)www.gl.umbc.edu/~nworth1 ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]