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Its been some time since the flow of good music has slowed to a trickle, I'm looking foward to some schematic and MAS new stuff but haven't heard over anything new coming out. on that note, skam also seems to be taking their time as well. btw on the question of Autechre clones, this happens with everything, one group makes a sound, others get interested in exploring that sound as well but get labelled as clones. for instance: Joy Division, after the death of Ian Curtis every band with the "JD" sound were called clones or cheap copies and most of them went unseen. 20 years later I'm digging in used record bins trying to find these clones because they are completely valid. Bands like Crispy Ambulance, Section 25 and ACR had their own sound, however similar it was to Joy Division it was still an interesting take on the whole thing, In many respects I find ACR's Too Each... a far better record than Unknown Pleasures. And at this point LP5 seems weaker than some of the stuff coming from the clones, not everything lasts so you should grab it while you can, in 20 years that Push Button Objects 12" may never be found again

At 01:50 AM 2/13/99 -0800, you wrote:

quoted 7 lines Its been some time since the flow of good music has

> >Its been some time since the flow of good music has >slowed to a trickle, I'm looking foward to some >schematic and MAS new stuff but haven't heard >over anything new coming out. on that note, skam >also seems to be taking their time as well. >

There are four new Musik Aus Strom eps mastered and in production as we speak by Chris DeLuca, While, Swap, and Aemic. Also there are two new Schematic eps that will be out soon by Takeshi and the Istmik Strokes remix comp vol 1. So the trickle will turn into a torrent very soon. FYI: the release schedule for labels/distributers always slows down around the end of the year. even music people need vacations. : ) -->-Lance--- p.o. box 450715 westlake, ohio 44145 united states

On Sat, 13 Feb 1999, -- wrote:

quoted 6 lines on the question of Autechre clones,

> on the question of Autechre clones, > this happens with everything, one group makes a sound, others get > interested in exploring that sound as well but get labelled as clones. for > instance: Joy Division, after the death of Ian Curtis every band with the > "JD" sound were called clones or cheap copies and most of them went unseen. > 20 years later I'm digging in used record bins trying to find these clones

One of the reason those Factory bands were considered clones is that they either had the same producer, Martin Hannett, or used the same gear (Voyetra synths, pedals) because they used the same studio(s), etc. Section 25 later used the same beatboxes and Voyetra as New Order, I believe. "From the Hip" has cool electro instrumental passages w/808 than go beyond New Order...

quoted 4 lines because they are completely valid. Bands like Crispy Ambulance, Section 25

> because they are completely valid. Bands like Crispy Ambulance, Section 25 > and ACR had their own sound, however similar it was to Joy Division it was > still an interesting take on the whole thing, In many respects I find > ACR's Too Each... a far better record than Unknown Pleasures. And at this

I agree, "Too Each..." is far more musically interesting. Strangely, I've noticed a couple of "40 Breaks (Tracks of beat loops)" that have 5-6 ACR samples from just that LP alone. They are buried between Fela and various international-funk-percussion loops, which I'd guess ACR would consider a sort of compliment.....

quoted 3 lines point LP5 seems weaker than some of the stuff coming from the clones, not

> point LP5 seems weaker than some of the stuff coming from the clones, not > everything lasts so you should grab it while you can, in 20 years that Push > Button Objects 12" may never be found again

On vinyl, yeah, though I'm thinking that the tracks made in # 500 pressings are more likely to survive (CDR and mp3 and internet) since they stand a greater chance of getting recorded on another media than old ACR records. I doubt too many IDM'ers under 25 give a rip about FActory stuff. BTW, I have a Section 25 tape bootleg with them doing "The Model" I'll tradefor the ACR "Wild Party" 12".. anyone.... hello?... oh well solenoid

quoted 5 lines I agree, "Too Each..." is far more musically interesting. Strangely, I've

> I agree, "Too Each..." is far more musically interesting. Strangely, I've > noticed a couple of "40 Breaks (Tracks of beat loops)" that have 5-6 ACR > samples from just that LP alone. They are buried between Fela and various > international-funk-percussion loops, which I'd guess ACR would consider a > sort of compliment.....

One of the tracks from that album was featured a few times on Gescom's Disengage radio show. Got mine for 70p from Wythenshawe Library, ten years ago.

quoted 6 lines pressings are more likely to survive (CDR and mp3 and internet) since they

> pressings are more likely to survive (CDR and mp3 and internet) since they > stand a greater chance of getting recorded on another media than old ACR > records. I doubt too many IDM'ers under 25 give a rip about FActory > stuff. BTW, I have a Section 25 tape bootleg with them doing "The Model" > I'll tradefor the ACR "Wild Party" 12".. anyone.... hello?... oh well >

That would be the song used in chirpy Scouse film Letter To Brezhnev.

quoted 5 lines I agree, "Too Each..." is far more musically interesting. Strangely, I've

>I agree, "Too Each..." is far more musically interesting. Strangely, I've >noticed a couple of "40 Breaks (Tracks of beat loops)" that have 5-6 ACR >samples from just that LP alone. They are buried between Fela and various >international-funk-percussion loops, which I'd guess ACR would consider a >sort of compliment.....

where did you hear this? I'd love to hear it myself. I too have seen ACR popping up ever now and then in samples and such for instance, I think that the intro to new order's "perfect kiss" has its origins in "the fox" definitely hannett was a genius btw, I'm 24 and discovered factory about 6 years ago, just when techno started to rise up. since then the internet has made it both easy and hard to find factory related stuff. on one hand I can find a shop that has it in another part of the world but on the other hand so can everyone else. picked up John Dowie's "the EGG" fac04 or something while I was in LA, tracks suck but its and interesting item. I 've been meaning to post this for a while. I was listening to Depeche Mode's "People are people" 12", the on-u-sound remix and found that it is strikingly contemporary. I could almost see it getting mixed in with Autechre and the like. Sherwood was definitely ahead of his time, the "are people people" mix is pretty damn good too. I have a Section 25 tape bootleg with them doing "The Model"

quoted 1 line I'll tradefor the ACR "Wild Party" 12".. anyone.... hello?... oh well

>I'll tradefor the ACR "Wild Party" 12".. anyone.... hello?... oh well

I have the wild party 12" but could never part with it, I'll tape it for you if you wish, I'm looking for ACR's first album on A&M records, I forgot the name of it, I know that it probably isn't very good but would like to hear it. Check out Robs Records web-site, lots of new ACR produced stuff has been coming out over the past few years, seems like "Change the Station" was their last album but Moscrop and Johnson have been producing for Robs since then.