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1999-02-09 00:54Re: (idm) re: classical (lovely)
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1999-02-09 02:41lazlo Re: (idm) re: classical (lovely)
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1999-02-09 04:27objet @ Re: (idm) re: classical (lovely)
└─ 1999-02-09 02:37Andrew Hime Re: (idm) re: classical (lovely)
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1999-02-10 21:11Jon Re: (idm) re: classical (lovely)
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1999-02-09 00:54DzrtMusic@aol.comWow this is going to be my new pet peeve! I was using the world classical because it was t
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Wow this is going to be my new pet peeve! I was using the world classical because it was the closest translation of what I could put into thought, and yes it was accurate. Why was it accurate? Because it works, that's why. When I say, "This kind of music will be the next classical music" How does that interpret in your mind? Well, if you're the average native english speaker then you understand what I meant. You understand that I meant this music will be the next wave of voiceless, vivid, and lucent music full of texture and deep artistic meaning created by crazy- headed wild-haired composers. Now you can take it to a literal level, bust out with the ol' websters dictionary, for the simple purpose of showing off your "intellectual superiority", and to whom? the people on this list? to yourself? can anything be more obnoxious? Such things are to be expected of mediochre minds. But let me present my argument anyways, why not spare the garbage, if simply for the sake of the prosperity!! If you want to nitpick trivial literacies, do it in your bathtub while you masturbate where no one will ever know. Motown, how would that be interpreted in other people's minds? Idiot.
quoted 4 lines alright. it is now officially my personal mission to change this.> > > alright. it is now officially my personal mission to change this. > idm will not be the "new classical." it shall be the new motown.
1999-02-10 07:56wellsAt 07:54 PM 2/8/99 -0500, DzrtMusic@aol.com wrote: >Wow this is going to be my new pet pee
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At 07:54 PM 2/8/99 -0500, DzrtMusic@aol.com wrote:
quoted 9 lines Wow this is going to be my new pet peeve!>Wow this is going to be my new pet peeve! >I was using the world classical because it was the closest translation of what >I could put into thought, and yes it was accurate. Why was it accurate? >Because it works, that's why. When I say, "This kind of music will be the next >classical music" How does that interpret in your mind? Well, if you're the >average native english speaker then you understand what I meant. You >understand that I meant this music will be the next wave of voiceless, vivid, >and lucent music full of texture and deep artistic meaning created by crazy- >headed wild-haired composers.
are we going to start comparing richard james, sean booth, and the like to beethoven and mozart? that's more than laughable. next please. - wells oliver / s0ewoliv@titan.vcu.edu "If you make me look bad, I swear to God, I'll never talk to you again."
1999-02-09 01:27DzrtMusic@aol.comWhy silly? It is a valid statement. Explain yourself if you really have something to say.
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Why silly? It is a valid statement. Explain yourself if you really have something to say.
quoted 1 line Sounded just as silly a comparison then ;)> Sounded just as silly a comparison then ;)
1999-02-09 02:41lazlo> > > When I say, "This kind of music will be the next > > > classical music" How does tha
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quoted 10 lines When I say, "This kind of music will be the next> > > When I say, "This kind of music will be the next > > > classical music" How does that interpret in your mind? Well, if you're the > > > average native english speaker then you understand what I meant. > > > > wow...the last time I heard someone utter exactly the sentence in > > question, I was at a Negativland show. > > > > Sounded just as silly a comparison then ;) > > I dunno, Negativland have done some pretty classic stuff.
And isn't "postmodern" such a classic red herring to use when talking about, oh, anything?
1999-02-09 23:58Zenon M. Feszczak> > And isn't "postmodern" such a classic red herring to use when talking >about, oh, > an
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quoted 4 lines And isn't "postmodern" such a classic red herring to use when talking> > And isn't "postmodern" such a classic red herring to use when talking >about, oh, > anything?
Let's just declare that word meaningless. Even self-proclaimed pomo theorists can't decide what it means. A bit of fun, then. The PoMo generator randomly generates articles in postmodern jargon to impress your friends and frighten your pets. Reload the page, and another appears! http://www.cs.monash.edu.au/cgi-bin/postmodern 3
1999-02-09 04:22lazlo"objet @" wrote: > > "postmodern" such a classic red herring to use when talking about, oh
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quoted 15 lines "postmodern" such a classic red herring to use when talking about, oh,> > "postmodern" such a classic red herring to use when talking about, oh, > > anything? > > Well, that depends on whether the use of the pomo-word refers in a > concrete fashion to certain notable works of Jean-Francois Lyotard or > Michael Graves, etc., or refers in a diffuse fashion to a Really Neat > Buzzword that you remember from MTV after reading a couple of paragraphs > about 'it' in a sophomore-level cultural studies class. > > in the case of a sardonic defense, it was pretty clear that the > reference was specifically made to postmodern architecture. > > sr > -- > sd
Yeah, yeah, you're right. "Baudrillard" was another "neat" name I heard on MTV, too...
1999-02-09 04:27objet @> When I say, "This kind of music will be the next > classical music" How does that interp
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quoted 3 lines When I say, "This kind of music will be the next> When I say, "This kind of music will be the next > classical music" How does that interpret in your mind? Well, if you're the > average native english speaker then you understand what I meant.
wow...the last time I heard someone utter exactly the sentence in question, I was at a Negativland show. Sounded just as silly a comparison then ;) sr -- sd
1999-02-09 02:37Andrew Hime> > When I say, "This kind of music will be the next > > classical music" How does that in
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quoted 8 lines When I say, "This kind of music will be the next> > When I say, "This kind of music will be the next > > classical music" How does that interpret in your mind? Well, if you're the > > average native english speaker then you understand what I meant. > > wow...the last time I heard someone utter exactly the sentence in > question, I was at a Negativland show. > > Sounded just as silly a comparison then ;)
I dunno, Negativland have done some pretty classic stuff.
1999-02-09 05:05objet @> > > Sounded just as silly a comparison then ;) > Why silly? It is a valid statement. Exp
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quoted 1 line Sounded just as silly a comparison then ;)> > > Sounded just as silly a comparison then ;)
quoted 2 lines Why silly? It is a valid statement. Explain yourself if you really have> Why silly? It is a valid statement. Explain yourself if you really have > something to say.
O.K. -- how can I do this concisely? Here's a shot: "Wow, postmodern is the new classical architecture." See how silly that sounds? Same thing. I never said it *wasn't* a valid comparison, I just questioned the *utility* of such a comparison. Anyway. sr -- sd
1999-02-09 06:57objet @> "postmodern" such a classic red herring to use when talking about, oh, > anything? Well,
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quoted 2 lines "postmodern" such a classic red herring to use when talking about, oh,> "postmodern" such a classic red herring to use when talking about, oh, > anything?
Well, that depends on whether the use of the pomo-word refers in a concrete fashion to certain notable works of Jean-Francois Lyotard or Michael Graves, etc., or refers in a diffuse fashion to a Really Neat Buzzword that you remember from MTV after reading a couple of paragraphs about 'it' in a sophomore-level cultural studies class. in the case of a sardonic defense, it was pretty clear that the reference was specifically made to postmodern architecture. sr -- sd
1999-02-10 21:11Jon[...] > >I was using the world classical because it was the closest [&c&c] IMHO, there's t
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quoted 1 line I was using the world classical because it was the closest> >I was using the world classical because it was the closest
[&c&c] IMHO, there's two categories of music: "Good" and "Bad". I prefer the 1st. Cheers, Jon.
1999-02-11 00:04DzrtMusic@aol.comAre we saying Beethoven and Mozart are god-like entities? more human than human? What's mo
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Are we saying Beethoven and Mozart are god-like entities? more human than human? What's more laughable? Think about it.. if they were alive today.. what would they be doing? They wouldn't be doing anything "greater" than what our greatest artists alive today are doing. The kind of statement you made is an attitude that's been around for a long time, I don't want to get into where it comes from... somebody else do it.. my fingers are tired from typing all day. -allen
quoted 4 lines are we going to start comparing richard james, sean booth, and the like to> are we going to start comparing richard james, sean booth, and the like to > beethoven and mozart? > > that's more than laughable.
1999-02-12 00:25wellsAt 07:04 PM 2/10/99 -0500, DzrtMusic@aol.com wrote: >Are we saying Beethoven and Mozart ar
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quoted 7 lines Are we saying Beethoven and Mozart are god-like entities? more human than>Are we saying Beethoven and Mozart are god-like entities? more human than >human? What's more laughable? Think about it.. if they were alive today.. what >would they be doing? They wouldn't be doing anything "greater" than what our >greatest artists alive today are doing. The kind of statement you made is an >attitude that's been around for a long time, I don't want to get into where it >comes from... somebody else do it.. my fingers are tired from typing all day. >
if mozart & beethoven were alive today, they most likely would not be writing souped-up techno. i'm sorry. i love idm, but let's not take ourselves too seriously. - wells oliver / s0ewoliv@titan.vcu.edu "If you make me look bad, I swear to God, I'll never talk to you again."
1999-02-12 19:27bsalter> >if mozart & beethoven were alive today, they most likely would not be writing >souped-u
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quoted 4 lines if mozart & beethoven were alive today, they most likely would not be writing> >if mozart & beethoven were alive today, they most likely would not be writing >souped-up techno. >
I wouldn't be too quick to jump to that conclusion... It was common for composers in that era to write dance & party music in popular styles, at least on the side to help pay the bills. I'm pretty sure Mozart & Beethoven did their fair share! They were certainly much more receptive to the popular music of their time than most of today's academicians and classical purists are to ours... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Brian Salter bsalter@slip.net www.slip.net/~bsalter ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
1999-02-13 19:53DzrtMusic@aol.comWell what can I say, you are simply wrong. And there's no way I can prove it without a tim
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Well what can I say, you are simply wrong. And there's no way I can prove it without a time machine, I guess I'll just have to live to accept your ignorance.
quoted 5 lines if mozart & beethoven were alive today, they most likely would not be> > if mozart & beethoven were alive today, they most likely would not be > writing > souped-up techno. >
1999-02-13 20:02DzrtMusic@aol.comIt really all has to do with the time period they were born in. The popular morals of the
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It really all has to do with the time period they were born in. The popular morals of the time, the technology available, the condition of living, all these things affected their music. If Beethoven or Mozart were born in this century they would have been a part of this century. They'd still be great musicians, but a hell of alot different than the Beethoven and Mozart we know. They may have been composers for movies, or they may have been rock stars,.. who knows. It is completely absurd to put them on the god-like pedistal that some people instist they are upon. They are simply great musicians, that in itself is greater than most of you seem to understand.
quoted 11 lines I wouldn't be too quick to jump to that conclusion... It was common for> > I wouldn't be too quick to jump to that conclusion... It was common for > composers > in that era to write dance & party music in popular styles, at least on > the side > to help pay the bills. I'm pretty sure Mozart & Beethoven did their fair > share! > They were certainly much more receptive to the popular music of their > time than > most of today's academicians and classical purists are to ours... >