IDM Mailing Archive

I haven't heard enough Beatles to say. Who said AE were gods anyways? It's my personal belief that electronic music, namely "IDM" as we call it, is going to be the next form of classical music. What's the next step? What aphex started but did not finish.. -Allen

quoted 2 lines Ever notice that there's more variety to The Beatles' work than Autechre,

> Ever notice that there's more variety to The Beatles' work than Autechre, > whoops, I mean Elvis?

DzrtMusic@aol.com wrote:

quoted 2 lines It's my personal belief that electronic music, namely "IDM" as we call it,

> It's my personal belief that electronic music, namely "IDM" as we call it, is > going to be the next form of classical music. What's the next step?

Seconded! I feel the same way about the IDM genre, especially when I attempt (in futility) to explain to all of the "Third Eye Blind" fans who ride in my car. "Oh, so you like Techno huh?" "er, well, It's not really techno, no" "What's all this bleeping and no words." "You have to have an appreciate it like classical music. Classical music doesn't have 'words'." "hmm, put something in with words." humans.... The saga continues.

On Fri, 5 Feb 1999, Tom Young wrote: [not sure who wrote this bit] | > It's my personal belief that electronic | > music, namely "IDM" as we call it, is going | > to be the next form of classical music. What's | > the next step? | Seconded! I feel the same way about the IDM | genre, especially when I attempt (in futility) | to explain to all of the "Third Eye Blind" | fans who ride in my car. Maybe daft to step into the fray right now, but I'll add my 2 cents. When I think of classical, I think of academic music, or music written under patronage. IME most IDM is constructed in a far more folk or pop manner (someone with native interest in the music buggering about with sounds and/or something to say). I'm also proud to think of it as more pop than classical, because on classical's own terms it falls down, as someone pointed out WRT holding Autechre up next to some of those pioneers of IRCAM, etc. On pop's terms, IDM is just great - it being exciting, moving, and (occassionally more than) a little lawless. I guess it shows I think a lot more about context and creation, when it comes down to these divisions... whatever. :-) Michael np. 'One More Chance' - Pet Shop Boys ____________________________________________ "His eyes are TV cameras" http://www.vuw.ac.nz/~michael/jj.html

In a message dated 2/9/99 10:30:32 PM Mountain Standard Time, username@sans.vuw.ac.nz writes:

quoted 4 lines Maybe daft to step into the fray right now, but

> Maybe daft to step into the fray right now, but > I'll add my 2 cents. When I think of classical, I > think of academic music, or music written under > patronage.

You obviously not listened to much classical music.. that is such a mindless stereotype.

quoted 8 lines IME most IDM is constructed in a far

> IME most IDM is constructed in a far > more folk or pop manner (someone with native > interest in the music buggering about with sounds > and/or something to say). > > I'm also proud to think of it as more pop than > classical, because on classical's own terms it > falls down, as someone pointed out WRT holding

Falls down? How can you take a whole group of music, that was around for more than 200 years, roll it all into one word (classical), and just say it all "falls down". That is so ridiculous! Please, go out and buy yourself a collection of Beethoven, Chopin, and Debussy piano works (three of my favs) and listen to them all MORE THAN ONCE!!!!!!!!!! Give it a two week test! I suggest all of you who haven't listened much to classical before try it out. Listen to the same CD at least 3 times a week for 2 weeks and tell me if it does not have a profound effect on you. Do NOT just listen to it one time, because I tell you, it may be very boring the first time. It often is! It takes time for some music to sink in, at least that's how it was for me with many classical works. I had to listen to them through a few times before I could grasp what was going on. -allen

quoted 7 lines Give it a two week test! I suggest all of you who haven't listened much to

>Give it a two week test! I suggest all of you who haven't listened much to >classical before try it out. Listen to the same CD at least 3 times a week for >2 weeks and tell me if it does not have a profound effect on you. >Do NOT just listen to it one time, because I tell you, it may be very boring >the first time. It often is! It takes time for some music to sink in, at least >that's how it was for me with many classical works. I had to listen to them >through a few times before I could grasp what was going on.

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DztMusic@aol.com wrote (referring to "classical" music): -----------"It takes time for some music to sink in, at least that's how it was for me with many classical works. I had to listen to them through a few times before I could grasp what was going on" That is how it was for me when I first heard "Amber." I was totally unfamiliar with Autechre at the time, and that disc was so alien to anything I had ever heard before, I dismissed it after one listen, putting it into my CD rack to collect dust for about six months. During that time (about 2 years ago) I joined this list. Two things happened: 1. I bought Carl Craig's "More Songs About Food and Revolutionary Art." The owner of my favorite record store at the time (Collin, Strange Records) played it for me and indicated that it had been on "repeat" in his player for several days. He called it one of the best and most important records of the year. He was right. This was IDM at it's finest, and hearing it (and most importantly -- liking it) would change the way I listened to music forever. So...(2. After reading about Ae's enourmous popularity on this list).... I decided to give "Amber" another shot. Needless to say I heard it in a whole new light, and it, along with the Carl Craig cd, is one of my favorite albums now. Sometimes the less approachable, less accessable music can become the most rewarding. In this aspect IDM does share a common ground with a lot of orchestral music. The fact that orchestrated music is such an old genre, and given also that it's not part of a modern "scene" the way IDM is, can make it even less accessable. I'd say that the comparison is a valid one. My two Cents, ------------------Izzo...