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Sam Frank:

quoted 1 line And he screwed up the Talking Heads. For that he will never be forgiven.

> And he screwed up the Talking Heads. For that he will never be forgiven.

Peter Hollo: <Ha! What rot! Remain in Light is their best album.> laerm: <personally, i thought the talking heads were horrible until he got involved.> Just to review - Eno got involved with the Talking Heads long before "Remain in Light" - he started working with them from their second LP "More Songs About Buildings and Food" onwards - so if you purists are claiming that their first LP "Talking Heads 77" was their only good one - well, there are lots of reasons why a band's first record might be their only good one - a quick burst of ideas/chemistry/synergy and then, boom, careerism sets in. I recently put on "More Songs..." for the first time in easily a decade and found myself thinking "Great rock band, too bad about the singer." <kinda like how roxy music instantly stank after he left. > I'd argue that "Stranded" (their third and first post-Eno) was easily as good as the first two - thereafter things dropped off a bit. <bowie's best albums were done with him.> Agreed but how do you fit the mere existence of U2 (or James) into this model of supremacy? Danny Freer: <Were there any other people in the 70's that were doing stuff similar to Eno's "Another Green World" and "Before And After Science"?> I can't think of a lot of people doing stuff a lot like that but don't forget the two LPs Eno did with Cluster, particularly the second called "After the Heat" - also the third Wire LP "154" owes a lot (to my ears) to that period of Eno. If you like the instrumental bits on those records, you'll probably like most Cluster and related (Harmonia in particular) releases. <Or the "Healthy Colours I-IV" tracks on "The Essential Fripp & Eno", for that matter. I always liked those..> Much of the output of Richard Pinhas's group Heldon would probably appeal to Fripp and Eno fans. Bob Bannister

On Tue, 2 Feb 1999, Bob Bannister wrote:

quoted 4 lines <kinda like how roxy music instantly stank after he left. >

> <kinda like how roxy music instantly stank after he left. > > > I'd argue that "Stranded" (their third and first post-Eno) was easily as > good as the first two - thereafter things dropped off a bit.

it's okay, i suppose, i just never really got into it as much as the first two.

quoted 4 lines <bowie's best albums were done with him.>

> <bowie's best albums were done with him.> > > Agreed but how do you fit the mere existence of U2 (or James) into this > model of supremacy?

i wasn't about to bring them up due to general idm bias against such "commercial" acts as U2 and james. however: my two favourite U2 albums are _unforgettable fire_ and _zooropa_, both eno projects; and james' _wah-wah_ is a masterpiece, along with its companion release, also both eno projects. for the naysayers, i'm sorry, but the man just has an ability to bring out the best in bands. in the studio he's a master.

quoted 6 lines I can't think of a lot of people doing stuff a lot like that but don't

> I can't think of a lot of people doing stuff a lot like that but don't > forget the two LPs Eno did with Cluster, particularly the second called > "After the Heat" - also the third Wire LP "154" owes a lot (to my ears) to > that period of Eno. If you like the instrumental bits on those records, > you'll probably like most Cluster and related (Harmonia in particular) > releases.

yes, the cluster stuff is mighty fine. ... and you just made me take a listen to _154_ for the first time in awhile, and you're right on that call, too. (also, thanks - i hadn't heard that classic in a long time :) ) * #### a disturbance in a system. #### laerm. @voicenet.com ##:# "It's strange how you arrive at ideas, how thoughts consolidate themselves out of the most disparate and unlikely beginnings, and how often those beginnings are realizations from experience that something isn't possible (or alternately is possible but not interesting)." -- Brian Eno icq: 5562209

On Tue, 2 Feb 1999, laerm wrote: | for the naysayers, i'm sorry, but the man just has an ability to bring out | the best in bands. in the studio he's a master. I've actually gotta step in in full agreement of this. With regards what's happened to him, I think he's done some fantastic production and remixing work in recent years. I love those James albums, and his remix of Depeche Mode's 'I Feel You' rates pretty highly with me. Even the tracks he did on Slowdive's 'Souvlaki'. Mmmm... Lots of lovely melancholy moments. As to whether his solo releases are anything to talk about... well, I know I don't care. :-) Michael ____________________________________________ "His eyes are TV cameras" http://www.vuw.ac.nz/~michael/jj.html

On Thu, 4 Feb 1999, Michael Upton wrote:

quoted 2 lines I've actually gotta step in in full agreement of

> I've actually gotta step in in full agreement of > this.

okay, we got two now. :)

quoted 7 lines With regards what's happened to him, I think he's

> With regards what's happened to him, I think he's > done some fantastic production and remixing work > in recent years. I love those James albums, and > his remix of Depeche Mode's 'I Feel You' rates > pretty highly with me. Even the tracks he did on > Slowdive's 'Souvlaki'. Mmmm... Lots of lovely > melancholy moments.

yes, same here. his depeche mode remixes are phenomenal. the one of "in your room" even more so. (okay, so i'm a huge mode fan. nyaanh.) * #### a disturbance in a system. #### laerm. @voicenet.com ##:# but if there's treasures inside/then i can't be relied/not to show the world what can be done/i'll show you how to be free icq: 5562209

On Thu, 4 Feb 1999, laerm wrote:

quoted 2 lines yes, same here. his depeche mode remixes are phenomenal. the one of "in

> yes, same here. his depeche mode remixes are phenomenal. the one of "in > your room" even more so. (okay, so i'm a huge mode fan. nyaanh.)

57 seconds of joy is eno's remix of Pnoom, on the Can _sacrelige_ album. then there are things like the win95 boot sound.. -- ------------------------------ jti@io.com http://www.io.com/~jti/ http://www.sonictherapy.com/fluoroscopic/fk.html ------------------------------------------------ --

On Thu, 4 Feb 1999, Jeremiah T. Isaacs wrote:

quoted 1 line 57 seconds of joy is eno's remix of Pnoom, on the Can _sacrelige_ album.

> 57 seconds of joy is eno's remix of Pnoom, on the Can _sacrelige_ album.

yes - i want to hear the other two remixes he references in the liner notes.

quoted 1 line then there are things like the win95 boot sound..

> then there are things like the win95 boot sound..

did he do 98, tooor jsut 95? * #### a disturbance in a system. #### laerm. @voicenet.com ##:# but if there's treasures inside/then i can't be relied/not to show the world what can be done/i'll show you how to be free icq: 5562209

At 04:30 AM 2/4/99 -0500, laerm wrote:

quoted 4 lines yes, same here. his depeche mode remixes are phenomenal. the one of "in

> >yes, same here. his depeche mode remixes are phenomenal. the one of "in >your room" even more so. (okay, so i'm a huge mode fan. nyaanh.) >

the Portishead remix of 'in your room' blows the Eno mix away. it, in fact, probably blows any DM mix away. (another huge dm fan) - wells oliver / s0ewoliv@titan.vcu.edu "If you make me look bad, I swear to God, I'll never talk to you again."

On Thu, 4 Feb 1999, wells wrote:

quoted 1 line the Portishead remix of 'in your room' blows the Eno mix away.

> the Portishead remix of 'in your room' blows the Eno mix away.

true. definitely.

quoted 1 line it, in fact, probably blows any DM mix away.

> it, in fact, probably blows any DM mix away.

what about the portishead mix of "walking in my shoes"?

quoted 1 line (another huge dm fan)

> (another huge dm fan)

good. :) * #### a disturbance in a system. #### laerm. @voicenet.com ##:# but if there's treasures inside/then i can't be relied/not to show the world what can be done/i'll show you how to be free icq: 5562209

At 08:41 PM 2/4/99 -0500, you wrote:

quoted 7 lines At 04:30 AM 2/4/99 -0500, laerm wrote:

>At 04:30 AM 2/4/99 -0500, laerm wrote: >> >>yes, same here. his depeche mode remixes are phenomenal. the one of "in >>your room" even more so. (okay, so i'm a huge mode fan. nyaanh.) >> > >the Portishead remix of 'in your room' blows the Eno mix away.

Ah yes, the "Jeep Rock" remix. Done by someone like Johnny Dollar or someone like that. Funny you mention that, because I just put it on a mix cd ("I'm "DJ Rated R" if you wanted to know").

quoted 1 line (another huge dm fan)

>(another huge dm fan)

I like their first album, completely written by the ever jolly Vincent Clarke (Huge Erasure and Yazoo, fan..DM is OK but it's not accepted in my 'circles' : ) Then there's also the Pet Shop Boys...now I'm just rambling on) Cheers! Rusty

quoted 4 lines <bowie's best albums were done with him.>

><bowie's best albums were done with him.> > >Agreed but how do you fit the mere existence of U2 (or James) into this >model of supremacy?

couldn't tell you, but he did produce Devo's Are We Not Men album... I'd say that fits into the model... q

quoted 5 lines the Portishead remix of 'in your room' blows the Eno mix away.

> > the Portishead remix of 'in your room' blows the Eno mix away. > > true. definitely. > > what about the portishead mix of "walking in my shoes"?

I gotta put 2 cents in for the "Portishead Experience" mix of Massive Attack's "Karmacoma" as best Portishead remix. WOW. That distorted wah-wah guitar makes the track. I believe someone told me it was a Jimi Hendrix sample - can anyone confirm? thanks, Bill -- Sigma6 Interactive Media / http://www.sigma6.com dj marathon: "fibre" up now @ http://www.flatplastic.com/

On Fri, 5 Feb 1999, Bill VanLoo wrote:

quoted 4 lines I gotta put 2 cents in for the "Portishead Experience" mix of Massive Attack

> I gotta put 2 cents in for the "Portishead Experience" mix of Massive Attack's > "Karmacoma" as best Portishead remix. WOW. That distorted wah-wah guitar makes > the track. I believe someone told me it was a Jimi Hendrix sample - can anyone > confirm?

i've actually never heard this mix. all the mp3's i download are corrupt. :P * #### a disturbance in a system. #### laerm. @voicenet.com ##:# but if there's treasures inside/then i can't be relied/not to show the world what can be done/i'll show you how to be free icq: 5562209