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quoted 3 lines & I don't think MASK is running a label well.

>> >& I don't think MASK is running a label well. > >> So? Its not for you to say. They can run their label any damn way

they

quoted 5 lines want. Don't like it? Start up your own

>> want. Don't like it? Start up your own > >Naaah, I can't go with that argument. This list is a forum for >comments just like that : it's a place for people to express their >opinions.

Yes, true. My (badly expressed) point was that, in itself, thats not a good reason for bootlegging something. And that one occasional reason why people start their own label is a disatisfaction with others. My point about starting a label is that bootlegging releases gives little back to the IDM scene - it doesn't support the artist or the label you're bootlegging and it won't encourage new listeners (because the boots will still be limited runs and hard to get hold of, outisde the internet). Starting a label however and seeing it through gives support to new artists and gives the fan another name to check out, one they might get into and be keen to support.

quoted 1 line Even *if* you start your own label, it still doesn't help you get hold

>Even *if* you start your own label, it still doesn't help you get hold

of

quoted 1 line obscure stuff off some 'badly' run label, does it?

>obscure stuff off some 'badly' run label, does it?

Potentially, it might do. I'm sure Mask would be more open to a label coming up to them and striking a deal for a license/re-press rather than someone bootlegging them. || [CiM] || cim_@hotmail.com || - ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

On Wed, 6 Jan 1999 bloch@verdurin.freeserve.co.uk wrote:

quoted 4 lines The point has been made in similar discussions in the past, but it should

> The point has been made in similar discussions in the past, but it should > be remembered that this is just a mailing list. People on it sometimes > attribute too much importance to themselves. The record industry does not > check first with IDM before doing something.

i see it more as people attribute too much importance to labels who play the game of "we are important" :) chris.

quoted 10 lines why people start their own label is a disatisfaction with others.

> why people start their own label is a disatisfaction with others. > > My point about starting a label is that bootlegging releases gives > little back to the IDM scene - it doesn't support the artist or the > label you're bootlegging and it won't encourage new listeners (because > the boots will still be limited runs and hard to get hold of, outisde > the internet). Starting a label however and seeing it through gives > support to new artists and gives the fan another name to check out, one > they might get into and be keen to support. >

again. I have clearly said that any money gained should be given back to the label. How does that not support the label? The label can then do whatever they please with the money. Like make more frisbees. I will restate no one ever said rip skam off. What was said is that a bootleg was in order because mask knowingly created a situation in which they knew bidding wars would happen. It is one thing to do a limited press but another to make sure it is also hard to get. Case in point, Jake Mandell ep. 300 were made of that. But it could be found. Never saw lucky kitchen causing resellers to only invite certain elite customers to buy it. Never saw lucky kitchen restricting the flow. Mask did all those things. my last word on it. I started a label. We go to press this month. I am giving back. And yes a couple limited releases are planned (for economic reasons). But those releases will be made available via mp3 as well. However, even those releases should be easy to get hold of. p.s. mas and skam are hardly the record industry. This is not an attack on the workings of the capitalistic machine. It is a criticism of a label who in my opinion are doing this as one big joke. They are taking a piss and having a laugh at our expense. -daniel