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◇ merged from 2 subjects: (idm) lock grooves · (idm) tops for 98 (was: re:cuttingloops )
1999-01-04 21:52Joanisse, Robert (idm) Tops for 98 (WAS: Re:cuttingLOOPS )
├─ 1999-01-05 09:23Irene McC (idm) lock grooves
└─ 1999-01-05 17:08Sebastian Herrfurth Re: (idm) Tops for 98 (WAS: Re:cuttingLOOPS )
1999-01-05 15:41Andrew Duke Cognition Audioworks Re: (idm) lock grooves
1999-09-04 20:56jeremy axon (idm) lock grooves
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1999-01-04 21:52Joanisse, Robert>> There are some Relief records >> that attempt to lock at the run-off and >> most of the
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quoted 3 lines There are some Relief records>> There are some Relief records >> that attempt to lock at the run-off and >> most of them just fail pretty badly.
quoted 2 lines ***"fail pretty badly" is putting it rather> ***"fail pretty badly" is putting it rather > politely here, Simon ;)Andrew
probably the best example of a well-executed run-off lock groove at the end of an album that i've heard is on death in june's "nada" the last number flows into a really pretty lock of bells. mastered by dennis at porkys i believe (along with many great records from the eighties i might add) i think it's probably easier easier to pull off a run-off lock with non-percussive music. getting the needle to fall into the groove _right_ in with the the beat seems like a pretty hard to thing to do. there is also a very nice lock on jeff mills "humana" although if i remember correctly there is quite a nice percussive lock groove on jeff mills "humana" speaking of locked grooves... when thomas brinkmann was in my city he showed some of the guys at a local store how to use a razor to cut up the last groove on a record into a lock groove. it's actually pretty easy. uh... tops for 98: roy davis vs. terry callier krust "true stories" common factor theo parrish "ebonics" aril brikha "art of vengeance" dj krush & toshinori kondo mezzanine BoC urban tribe metalheadz box set rhythm & sound "showcase" joe caussell 4 hero "two pages" roni size live moodymann dj'ing the return of juan atkins RJ
1999-01-05 09:23Irene McCOn 4 Jan 99, Joanisse, Robert wrote: > how to use a razor to cut up > the last groove on a
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On 4 Jan 99, Joanisse, Robert wrote:
quoted 2 lines how to use a razor to cut up> how to use a razor to cut up > the last groove on a record into a lock groove.
Never having seen a lock groove, could somebody please explain how these work? Does the needed somehow return back to the beginning and repeat play until you physically move it off? I *
1999-01-05 17:08Sebastian HerrfurthHi, On Mon, 4 Jan 1999, Joanisse, Robert wrote: > probably the best example of a well-exec
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Hi, On Mon, 4 Jan 1999, Joanisse, Robert wrote:
quoted 5 lines probably the best example of a well-executed run-off lock groove at the> probably the best example of a well-executed run-off lock groove at the > end of an album that i've heard is on death in june's "nada" the last > number flows into a really pretty lock of bells. mastered by dennis at > porkys i believe (along with many great records from the eighties i > might add)
My favourite lock groove is on 'The Flawed Hip Hop EP' from The Herbaliser on NinjaTune (ZEN1246). The Dj Vadim remix of '40 Winks' ends in a rather nice (non-percussive) lock groove. Bye Sebastian -- Sebastian Herrfurth (seher@cs.tu-berlin.de) pages for Bernd Friedmann / Riz Maslen / Daniel Meier / DJ Krush / ... at http://user.cs.tu-berlin.de/~seher/music.html
1999-01-05 15:41Andrew Duke Cognition AudioworksHmmm.... Irene: ever peel an orange or an apple with a knife and try to peel the whole thi
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Hmmm.... Irene: ever peel an orange or an apple with a knife and try to peel the whole thing so that the peel is a continuous strip and all in one piece? ok, when you play the usual forward playing record, the needle starts in on the outside of the record and continues in a continuous groove until the end of the track. This groove runs around the record and takes the needle toward the center of the record. a lock groove, however, does not take the needle further toward the center of the record because instead of it continuing to flow (like the orange/apple peel example above) and move on, it is a loop of *one time* around the record. there are two ways you can do a lock groove; #1: have the song play for awhile and then end in a lock groove #2 just have a one revolution (i.e one time around the turntable) groove (damn, this would be easier to draw on paper) so anway, the lock groove works like this: instead of playing one revolution of the record and the continuing on with the groove, the groove is locked so it's end is joined to its beginning. like a dog trying to catch its tail, it goes around and around. a lock groove will play until infinity (or the power or your needle goes out ;) whereas the regular groove in a record moves the needle forward until it gets to the run off matrix (the part that surrounds the label) at the end of that side of the record. ever wonder why the needle doesn't run onto the label and try to play the paper? it's because there's a crude locked groove at the end of every side of a record. occasionally, though, this will be pressed badly, and that's why sometimes your needle jumps onto the label and tries to play the paper label. hope this makes sense. andrew :) Irene McC wrote:
quoted 11 lines On 4 Jan 99, Joanisse, Robert wrote:> On 4 Jan 99, Joanisse, Robert wrote: > > > how to use a razor to cut up > > the last groove on a record into a lock groove. > > Never having seen a lock groove, could somebody please explain > how these work? Does the needed somehow return back to the > beginning and repeat play until you physically move it off? > > I > *
1999-09-04 20:56jeremy axonAt 01:25 AM 9/4/99 -0400, you wrote: . Loops, vol 1 comp 12" (Serotonin) . Loops Again com
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