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1999-01-03 12:42Chris.Hilker (idm) IDM Poll 1998 RESULTS
1999-01-04 08:53Re: (idm) IDM Poll 1998 RESULTS
├─ 1999-01-04 12:20Zenon M. Feszczak Re: (idm) IDM Poll 1998 RESULTS
└─ 1999-01-04 23:13Chris.Hilker Re: (idm) IDM Poll 1998 RESULTS
└─ 1999-01-05 09:23Irene McC Re: (idm) IDM Poll 1998 RESULTS
1999-01-05 21:52Re: (idm) IDM Poll 1998 RESULTS
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1999-01-03 12:42Chris.Hilker113 valid ballots were submitted this year, up from 109 last year. An individual attempted
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113 valid ballots were submitted this year, up from 109 last year. An individual attempted to skew the results by submitting multiple ballots using services such as hotmail, yahoo, etc. No votes from this person were counted, and I may choose not to accept votes from users of these services in the future. Here are the results: Album of the Year 11 votes: Amon Tobin: Permutation (Ninja Tune) 23 votes: Autechre: Untitled (Warp) 48 votes: Boards of Canada: Music Has the Right to Children (Skam/Warp) 11 votes: Bola: Soup (Skam) 10 votes: Pole: CD1/LP1 (Kiff SM) 04 votes: Squarepusher: Music Is Rotted One Note (Warp) 06 abstentions Winner: Boards of Canada: Music Has the Right to Children (Skam/Warp) Single of the Year 14 votes: Bola: Aguilla (Skam) 14 votes: Gescom: This (Skam) 15 votes: Jake Mandell: Midwest (Lucky Kitchen) 17 votes: Lexaunculpt: Oh Heres Some Noises (Isophlux) 14 votes: Richard Coleman: Devine (Schematic) 39 abstentions Winner: Lexaunculpt: Oh Heres Some Noises (Isophlux) Compilation of the Year 09 votes: alt.frequencies 3 (Worm Interface) 11 votes: Blip, Bleep (Lucky Kitchen) 19 votes: Funkungfusion (Ninja Tune) 17 votes: Highways Over Gardens (Carpet Bomb) 07 votes: Psychogeographic X+Y (Diskono) 20 votes: We Are Reasonable People (Warp) 30 abstentions Winner: We Are Reasonable People (Warp) Chillout Album of the Year 44 votes: Boards of Canada: Music Has the Right to Children (Skam/Warp) 19 votes: Bola: Soup (Skam) 14 votes: Irresistable Force: It's Tomorrow Already (Ninja Tune) 21 votes: Plastikman: Consumed (Novamute) 15 abstentions Winner: Boards of Canada: Music Has the Right to Children (Skam/Warp) Drum & Bass Album of the Year 27 votes: Amon Tobin: Permutation (Ninja Tune) 09 votes: Dom + Roland: Industry (Moving Shadow) 13 votes: Jega: Spectrum (Planet Mu) 21 votes: Photek: Form and Function (Science) 14 votes: Squarepusher: Music Is Rotted One Note (Warp) 29 abstentions Winner: Amon Tobin: Permutation (Ninja Tune) House or Techno Album of the Year 06 votes: Fatboy Slim: You've Come a Long Way Baby (Skint) 08 votes: Herbert: Around the House (Phono) 12 votes: Mannequin Lung: The Art of Travel (Plug Research) 16 votes: Plastikman: Consumed (Novamute) 21 votes: Pole: CD1/LP1 (Kiff SM) 13 votes: Two Lone Swordsmen: Stay Down (Warp) 37 abstentions Winner: Pole: CD1/LP1 (Kiff SM) Label of the Year 10 votes: Chocolate Industries 18 votes: Ninja Tune 13 votes: Phthalo 31 votes: Skam 21 votes: Warp 20 abstentions Winner: Skam Artist of the Year 09 votes: Atom Heart 23 votes: Autechre 40 votes: Boards of Canada 04 votes: Bola 14 votes: v/vm 23 abstentions Winner: Boards of Canada My thanks go out to everyone who voted! C. -- Chris.Hilker (cspot@hyperreal.org)
1999-01-04 08:53turbo@wr.com.auHi, Not to put down Chris's hard work, but did anybody notice how many times "abstentions"
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Hi, Not to put down Chris's hard work, but did anybody notice how many times "abstentions" actually 'won the category' and the high amount of total abstentions... nearly 200 making it almost 2 abstentions per valid vote. I'd put it down to the vote collecting method used. Why not dispense of the redundant second round and make it a much more representative poll!? Regards, John
1999-01-04 12:20Zenon M. Feszczak> Hi, > > Not to put down Chris's hard work, but did anybody notice how many times > "abst
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quoted 9 lines Hi,> Hi, > > Not to put down Chris's hard work, but did anybody notice how many times > "abstentions" actually 'won the category' and the high amount of total > abstentions... nearly 200 making it almost 2 abstentions per valid vote. > > I'd put it down to the vote collecting method used. Why not dispense of the > redundant second round and make it a much more representative poll!? >
Might also be that some people listen to some of the categories of music but not others, and so abstain from voting on the latter. 3
1999-01-04 23:13Chris.Hilker>Not to put down Chris's hard work, but did anybody notice how many times >"abstentions" a
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quoted 6 lines Not to put down Chris's hard work, but did anybody notice how many times>Not to put down Chris's hard work, but did anybody notice how many times >"abstentions" actually 'won the category' and the high amount of total >abstentions... nearly 200 making it almost 2 abstentions per valid vote. > >I'd put it down to the vote collecting method used. Why not dispense of the > redundant second round and make it a much more representative poll!?
First-round balloting averaged about 16% abstentions across the board. (The final round averaged 22%.) Many people simply aren't interested in all the categories. The second round is anything but redundant. Without it, a majority of votes are wasted on records with no chance of winning. In first-round balloting in the Drum & Bass Album of the Year category, 19 titles received one vote each. I think it would be ludicrous to declare a winner based on that, especially with the top vote-getter receiving only eight votes and the runner-up having seven. It's impossible to have a clear winner without splitting up the balloting, unless you go to a weighted-vote system (i.e. vote for your top five or ten or whatever, and a first-place vote is worth more than a second-place vote, etc.) I haven't been willing to run the poll this way, because under the present arrangement it's hard enough for people to follow the directions on the ballot. I think the two-round format also makes for a more inclusive poll. More people are likely to vote when given nominees to choose from, rather than a blank ballot. The poll bears this out: 68 ballots in the first round this year, 113 in the second. If I do an all-time poll later this year, it will use a one-round, weighted-vote system. Depending on how well or badly that goes, I might change over to such a system for the 1999 year-end poll. C. -- Chris.Hilker (cspot@hyperreal.org)
1999-01-05 09:23Irene McCOn 4 Jan 99, Chris.Hilker wrote: > under the present arrangement it's hard enough for peop
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On 4 Jan 99, Chris.Hilker wrote:
quoted 2 lines under the present arrangement it's hard enough for people to follow> under the present arrangement it's hard enough for people to follow > the directions on the ballot.
Ha ha ha !!! That goes a long way toward explaining that *I* in IDM :-) I * np : Aphex Twin / SAW 85-92 guess that will feature in upcoming the all-time vote
1999-01-05 21:52turbo@wr.com.auChris, >First-round balloting averaged about 16% abstentions across the board. (The >final
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Chris,
quoted 3 lines First-round balloting averaged about 16% abstentions across the board. (The>First-round balloting averaged about 16% abstentions across the board. (The >final round averaged 22%.) Many people simply aren't interested in all the >categories.
Hmmm would seem so, but at the second round you're getting nearly a quarter of the votes wasted. So either change the categories or simply not box people into having to abstain or vote for something they haven't heard.
quoted 11 lines The second round is anything but redundant. Without it, a majority of votes>The second round is anything but redundant. Without it, a majority of votes >are wasted on records with no chance of winning. In first-round balloting in >the Drum & Bass Album of the Year category, 19 titles received one vote each. >I think it would be ludicrous to declare a winner based on that, especially >with the top vote-getter receiving only eight votes and the runner-up having >seven. It's impossible to have a clear winner without splitting up the >balloting, unless you go to a weighted-vote system (i.e. vote for your top >five or ten or whatever, and a first-place vote is worth more than a >second-place vote, etc.) I haven't been willing to run the poll this way, >because under the present arrangement it's hard enough for people to follow >the directions on the ballot.
Well i think the weighted-vote system would be much better at getting a representative poll result. Yes it's far more difficult to manage, but then the end of year IDM poll results would show a much better representation of the music we all listen to.
quoted 4 lines I think the two-round format also makes for a more inclusive poll. More>I think the two-round format also makes for a more inclusive poll. More >people are likely to vote when given nominees to choose from, rather than >a blank ballot. The poll bears this out: 68 ballots in the first round >this year, 113 in the second.
Yeah like the guy voting for WAP100 based on what he's heard via real-audio through the Warp site. I for one abstained from voting on any category where i hadn't heard any of the selected releases. I'd like to take a brief poll as to who participated in the poll and voted for something they haven't actually heard in its proper releasable format (ie, no demos, tapes, mp3's or RA's, etc)?
quoted 3 lines If I do an all-time poll later this year, it will use a one-round,>If I do an all-time poll later this year, it will use a one-round, >weighted-vote system. Depending on how well or badly that goes, I might >change over to such a system for the 1999 year-end poll.
Thanks, it'll be interesting to see how it turns out. Regards, John
1999-01-07 01:51Tim Zeigler>I'd put it down to the vote collecting method used. Why not dispense of the > redundant s
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Wed, 6 Jan 1999 20:51:57 -0500
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quoted 2 lines I'd put it down to the vote collecting method used. Why not dispense of the>I'd put it down to the vote collecting method used. Why not dispense of the > redundant second round and make it a much more representative poll!?
I agree. Used to be that way some years back. Could see the top 20 or so releases of the year rather than 6. But I also appreciate the work that goes into administrating any kind of poll, so won't fuss.