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RE: [idm] Plaid/Black Dog/Monkey business

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2000-04-05 22:38William Samuels [idm] Plaid/Black Dog/Monkey business
2000-04-05 23:43William Samuels [idm] Plaid/Black Dog/Monkey business
2000-04-06 05:45Michael Upton RE: [idm] Plaid/Black Dog/Monkey business
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2000-04-05 22:38William SamuelsAs in all disputes there are two side to everything. Black Dog contends that the Plaid com
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Wed, 5 Apr 2000 15:38:20 -0700 (PDT)
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[idm] Plaid/Black Dog/Monkey business
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As in all disputes there are two side to everything. Black Dog contends that the Plaid compilation is a cheesy scam to make money and it's greedy and corporate. And that they don't have the rights to all of the material. That is one view. That could be, but I think it is reasonable to assume that perhaps Plaid might just want the music to be finally made available. They may not have been happy with the distribution on their earlier releases. After all, it wasn't their fault that GPR had the distribution problems, and went belly up. Perhaps, they wanted their music to be available, and not scarce. I know if I made tracks I would want them to heard and available for those that liked it. I don't know that makes sense to me. I wouldn't feel like some greedy person for trying to do that. And I'm also pretty darn certain that fans have probably been bugging THEM and all the labels involved for their material to be re-released. I don't see anything wrong with giving the fans what they want. Sure Plaid & Warp will make money (and maybe some other parties). Every time something gets released or reissued money changes hands. Is it morally unethical, greedy or evil? Nothing has really convinced me that it is. There is a demand for this material. I believe that handles the greedy/corporate whatever discussion. Whether they have the right to the material is another. Warp MIGHT have made licensing deals with GPR/Rising High. We don't know for certain, do we? Ken Downie might have some stake in some of the material, even though he didn't write it. Maybe he owns 1/3 of it, I don't know. That's a legal issue for all the other parties to deal with. Let's try and keep this thread from turning into cheerleading for or against the parties involved. For Plaid fans to snub Black Dog or vice versa doesn't seem productive. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-04-05 23:43William SamuelsAs in all disputes there are two side to everything. Black Dog contends that the Plaid com
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Wed, 5 Apr 2000 16:43:33 -0700 (PDT)
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[idm] Plaid/Black Dog/Monkey business
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As in all disputes there are two side to everything. Black Dog contends that the Plaid compilation is a cheesy scam to make money and it's greedy and corporate. And that they don't have the rights to all of the material. That is one view. That could be, but I think it is reasonable to assume that perhaps Plaid might not have been happy with the distribution on their earlier releases. After all, it wasn't their fault that GPR had the distribution problems, and went belly up. Perhaps, they wanted their music to be available, and not scarce. I know if I made tracks I would want them to heard and available for those that liked it. I don't know that makes sense to me. I wouldn't feel like some greedy person for trying to make it available. And I'm also pretty darn certain that fans have probably been bugging them and all the labels involved for their material to be re-released. I don't see anything wrong with giving the fans what they want. Sure Plaid & Warp will make money (and maybe some other parties). Every time something gets released or reissued money changes hands. Is it morally wrong, greedy or evil? I don't think so. There is a demand for this material. I believe that handles the greedy/corporate whatever discussion. Whether they have the right to the material is another. Warp MIGHT have made licensing deals with GPR/Rising High. We don't know for certain, do we? Ken Downie might have some stake in some of the material, even though he didn't write it. Maybe he owns 1/3 of it, I don't know. That's a legal issue for all the other parties to deal with. Let's try and keep this thread from turning into cheerleading for or against the parties involved. For Plaid fans to snub Black Dog or vice versa doesn't seem to be productive. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-04-06 05:45Michael Upton>===== Original Message From William Samuels <w_technoir@yahoo.com> ===== >Ken Downie migh
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Thu, 6 Apr 2000 01:45:15 -0400
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RE: [idm] Plaid/Black Dog/Monkey business
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quoted 1 line ===== Original Message From William Samuels <w_technoir@yahoo.com> =====>===== Original Message From William Samuels <w_technoir@yahoo.com> =====
quoted 4 lines Ken Downie might have some stake in some of the>Ken Downie might have some stake in some of the >material, even though he didn't write it. Maybe he >owns 1/3 of it, I don't know. That's a legal issue for >all the other parties to deal with.
Ok, anyone out there feel free to correct any errors I make along the way. I'm writing based on bits of pieces I've picked up along the way... With regards establishing the facts, Warp don't need to show that Ken didn't write the tracks. When it comes to signing over either license or full ownership of a recording, the deal is normally between an "artist" (where that can be a single person or an entire band) and a record label. If the artist in question is Black Dog Productions Ltd, whether or not they just licensed ownership of the tracks to GPR/Rising High, Ed or Andy are _not_ the owners of those recordings. I can't think of a case off hand where someone has tried to reclaim ownership of recordings of music they have written and won. A very famous case of someone losing was the Beatles. Go web searching. Of course if the people who signed the contract as the artist are fighting each other for ownership, that's a substantial change in facts. Michael -+- Jet Jaguar MP3s http://mp3.com/jetjag/ -+- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org