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1998-12-17 03:16Andrew Duke Cognition Audioworks (idm) Pole releases
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└─ 1998-12-17 07:26Sam Frank Re: (idm) Pole releases
1998-12-17 15:51Andrew Duke Cognition Audioworks (idm) re:MATADOR et al
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1998-12-17 03:16Andrew Duke Cognition AudioworksMatador is releasing last summer's 9 track CD1 from Berlin's Pole (Stefan Betke) for North
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Matador is releasing last summer's 9 track CD1 from Berlin's Pole (Stefan Betke) for North American domestic consumption on February 23, 1999. Being released the same day is the new 6 track EP from Pole. It's called CD2 and is coming out the same day in Europe on Kiff SM. Tracks are Fahren, Stadt, Streit, Huckepack, Hafen, and Welt. An interview with Mr. Betke talking about his music is online on: http://www.globalserve.net/~cognition Thanks. Andrew
1998-12-17 06:15Hrvåtski/RKK>Matador is releasing last summer's 9 track CD1 from Berlin's Pole >(Stefan Betke) for Nor
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quoted 3 lines Matador is releasing last summer's 9 track CD1 from Berlin's Pole>Matador is releasing last summer's 9 track CD1 from Berlin's Pole >(Stefan Betke) for North American domestic consumption on February 23, >1999. Being released the same day is the new 6 track EP from Pole.
Also of note is the fact that Matador is releasing the BOC Peel Sessions. Should be out at the same time as the UK Warp version. And no, they're not doing the black Dog or the Autechre Peels. Sorry. -Våt. ____________________ Reckankreuzungsklankewerkzeuge PO BOX 382864. Cambridge, MA 02238 http://www.tiac.net/users/sheket/index.html
1998-12-17 07:26Sam FrankWhat I really want to know is if Matador is selling many copies of all these (relatively)
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What I really want to know is if Matador is selling many copies of all these (relatively) obscure electronic releases. They really haven't gotten much US press (I mean, who gives a fuck about Burger/Ink?) and they don't have the fanbase of Matador's indie rock. Most of my Matador indie rock lovin friends don't know a damn thing about "indie" electronic music--they know the Chems and the Prodigy and Aphex, but not Autechre or anything even slightly more obscure. Same goes for Nothing with Autechre and plug--does this stuff actually make them money, or are they just trying to get in on the ground floor for later albums with bigger sales? We Americans are so damn ignorant, it disgusts me ;-) And what's this talk i hear of the X-Ecutioners headlining at hammerstein ballroom in NY? That seems like a mighty big venue. Has indie hip-hop taken off in sales to that large an extent? Feeling drunk and bitter, but almost done with finals! I hate Lacan and Derrida and Laura Mulvey, they can deconstruct the text of my anus. Is that Freudian enough for you? Sam
1998-12-17 15:51Andrew Duke Cognition AudioworksSam Frank wrote: > What I really want to know is if Matador is selling many copies of all
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Sam Frank wrote:
quoted 10 lines What I really want to know is if Matador is selling many copies of all> What I really want to know is if Matador is selling many copies of all > these (relatively) obscure electronic releases. They really haven't > gotten much US press (I mean, who gives a fuck about Burger/Ink?) and they > don't have the fanbase of Matador's indie rock. Most of my Matador indie > rock lovin friends don't know a damn thing about "indie" electronic > music--they know the Chems and the Prodigy and Aphex, but not Autechre or > anything even slightly more obscure. Same goes for > Nothing with Autechre and plug--does this stuff actually make them money, > or are they just trying to get in on the ground floor for later albums > with bigger sales? We Americans are so damn ignorant, it disgusts me ;-)
***Sam: You've brought up *a lot* of different things here :) Those "in the know" will probably always continue to buy things direct from the originating labels. For example, when Nothing released those Warp titles domestically for North America, those "in the know" had already got the imports. Same for Matador, I'm sure: those really into Pole probably already have the Kiff SM version of "CD1". The new Pole CD2, however, is being released simultaneously on the originating label--Kiff SM--and Matador. So "those in the know" in NA can get the new Pole as soon as it is released anywhere, *and* save money because they aren't paying import price. Perhaps hardcore trainspotters in NA will want the Kiff SM version when CD2 comes out on Feb 23, but they have a choice now. We've all groaned in the past when we bought something for an outrageous import price and then it goes domestic a month or two later. I'd say Matador obviously is thinking about what they're doing with Pole et al. For instance, many labels promo their releases *after* they have been released (which frustrates journalists, DJs, readers, etc). because many don't want to read a review of something that's been out for a while, they want the lowdown as early as possible, well in advance of a record's release. If you're really into the music you want to read the review done of an *advance* copy so as soon as it becomes commercially available you can check it out with some background info you've gained from the review. The Pole CD2 is out Feb 23 and Matador sent out promos of this to journalists/DJs (maybe radio stations too) in late November--3 months before release. This shows they're taking the promotion of Pole et al very seriously, and the press will probably recognize this. From there features, reviews, and coverage follow. Yes, those "in the know" have known about Pole for awhile, but those into the Chemical Brothers (and other "electronic" acts that have huge exposure) might be intrigued by the fuss and check Pole et al out. You gotta reminder that at one point the ChemBros were just a bunch of unknowns, same as The Prodigy. That's what Matador is working toward, and I'm glad quality UK/Europe based music *is* getting more NA exposure. Building a fan base takes time. There is no such thing as an overnight success. Other opinions, anyone? re: ulterior motives at labels; we have to keep in mind that labels are businesses and the bottom line is making money. As long as they're taking care of their artists, paying them and not shafting them, it's good for the artist when the label makes money (I'm talking indies here, btw, not companies like Sony et al). The "poor artist" scenario is something those who've experienced it would not recommend. And a label who doesn't sell its artists' material has poor artists. Andrew -- Andrew Duke Cognition Audioworks 1096 Queen St #123 Halifax NS Canada B3H 2R9 TEL 902-422-7132 FAX 902-422-1262 http://www.globalserve.net/~cognition (Cognition Audioworks/In The Mix: listen : read) --online now: DJ T-1000's "Live Sabotage" mix CD (BML) world premiere In The Mix show 577:John Acquaviva/Tim Baker/Miguel Graca