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I'm back from NYC although no one from the NYC crew hit me back with places to find IDM in the city. Went clubbing, hooked up with some B&T girlies... I picked up a comp from JungleSky which isn't half bad-just good solid Jungle for 2 hours. Any other reviews on their stuff? Is it consistent-I might get some more. Now I'm back in So. Cal just in time to see Lex... now that is dope. -d ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

quoted 12 lines I picked up a comp from JungleSky which isn't half bad-just good solid

> > I picked up a comp from JungleSky which isn't half bad-just good solid > > Jungle for 2 hours. > > Any other reviews on their stuff? Is it consistent-I might get some > > more. > > Jungle.Sky has put out some excellent releases and is still continuing to. > which comp did you grab?? i think Volume 1 is the best CD they have > released... (listening to it right now in fact). For newere releases by > them check out the "Quality Rolls" LP (and subsequent EPs) by 1.8.7. > nice tough jungle... also grab the "abudcted" remixes by Soulslinger. > beatuiful tracks. basically anything theyput out is quality (a couple of > exceptions: like the "Rock&Roll" jungle sky CD blech!!!)

Actually, from his description, I think he probably got Volume 5. I still haven't got _Quality Rolls_, despite being one of 1.8.7's biggest fans. The _abducted remixes_ take a little bit of getting used to. I really think DJ Soulslinger's album is great. Also, they put out an album at one point by Marque Gilmore of Project 23, but good luck on finding it. *sigh* Volume 5 is alright with me, the first disk is kinda weak, I think the second disk is really good, though.

quoted 2 lines does anyone know their web.site addy? ive searched and found a

> does anyone know their web.site addy? ive searched and found a > half-assed one (didnt bookmark cuz it sucked).

Check out www.liquidskymusic.com - good design, but not updated very frequently. Also check out www.187.nu, which is strictly a labor of love and is run by Jordana LeSesne. :)

quoted 2 lines np: JS004: Jason.Jinx: 13thunlucky <---most amaxzing track on this comp.

> np: JS004: Jason.Jinx: 13thunlucky <---most amaxzing track on this comp. > similar to "Demonseed" =~)

On the same tip... anyone know where to get Jungle Sky 12"s and such? I'm looking to start collecting backcatalog and never have been able to find the stuff locally. Except "Bitchly's Kow Korn", which I shoulda bought when I saw it, instead of getting involved with Multsanta.

quoted 3 lines I picked up a comp from JungleSky which isn't half bad-just good solid

> I picked up a comp from JungleSky which isn't half bad-just good solid > Jungle for 2 hours. Any other reviews on their stuff? Is it consistent-I might get some > more.

Run, don't walk, to get the following: _This Is Jungle Sky volume 4: Nirvana_ _When Worlds Collide_ by 1.8.7 _We're Not The Beatles_ by Yellow Note Quirky, eccentric, off kilter, well constructed. I love this label to death, but they always get such beating at the hands of IDM. My favortie artist of theirs though, is the mysterious Marshall H, who I can seem to find no information on anywhere. His stuff blows me away, time after time. Oh, and Multsanta, feel free to mail that "Bitchly's Kow Korn" single any time now... I still have not received it.

Excerpts from mail: 25-Oct-98 Re: (idm) JungleSky by hime@kali.wf.net

quoted 1 line _When Worlds Collide_ by 1.8.7

> _When Worlds Collide_ by 1.8.7

We got a copy of this at the station I DJ at... to be honest, I think that 1.8.7. has no sense of balance when it comes to his music. All the tracks on "When Worlds Collide" just sound so bloated, overdone, heavy on the snares... just a mess of sounds and rhythm. I ran, not walked, to the boards to mix the stuff out. Aaron

quoted 9 lines Excerpts from mail: 25-Oct-98 Re: (idm) JungleSky by hime@kali.wf.net

> Excerpts from mail: 25-Oct-98 Re: (idm) JungleSky by hime@kali.wf.net > > _When Worlds Collide_ by 1.8.7 > > We got a copy of this at the station I DJ at... to be honest, I think > that 1.8.7. has no sense of balance when it comes to his music. All the > tracks on "When Worlds Collide" just sound so bloated, overdone, heavy > on the snares... just a mess of sounds and rhythm. > > I ran, not walked, to the boards to mix the stuff out.

Well, I guess here we're talking about DM that's not enough I sometimes.

Excerpts from mail: 25-Oct-98 Re: (idm) JungleSky by Aaron S Michelson@andrew

quoted 4 lines We got a copy of this at the station I DJ at... to be honest, I think

> We got a copy of this at the station I DJ at... to be honest, I think > that 1.8.7. has no sense of balance when it comes to his music. All the > tracks on "When Worlds Collide" just sound so bloated, overdone, heavy > on the snares... just a mess of sounds and rhythm.

Oops... sorry, I was talking about the new album, Quality Rolls. Can't speak for When Worlds Collide, but the new album is kinda silly. Aaron

quoted 8 lines _When Worlds Collide_ by 1.8.7

> > _When Worlds Collide_ by 1.8.7 > > We got a copy of this at the station I DJ at... to be honest, I think > that 1.8.7. has no sense of balance when it comes to his music. All the > tracks on "When Worlds Collide" just sound so bloated, overdone, heavy > on the snares... just a mess of sounds and rhythm. > > I ran, not walked, to the boards to mix the stuff out.

well, this makes sense in light of j. lesesne having a near-criminal aversion to tuning her samples. you're lucky your eardrums are still intact, next time do a little research into the music you buy and you won't run this risk. eric onnow: praxis:sacrifist(subharmonic)

quoted 12 lines _When Worlds Collide_ by 1.8.7

> > > _When Worlds Collide_ by 1.8.7 > > > > We got a copy of this at the station I DJ at... to be honest, I think > > that 1.8.7. has no sense of balance when it comes to his music. All the > > tracks on "When Worlds Collide" just sound so bloated, overdone, heavy > > on the snares... just a mess of sounds and rhythm. > > > > I ran, not walked, to the boards to mix the stuff out. > > well, this makes sense in light of j. lesesne having a near-criminal aversion to tuning her samples. > you're lucky your eardrums are still intact, next time do a little research into the music you buy and > you won't run this risk.

Here's the research I go through when listening to music: Do I like it? Where can I find it? Who gives a fuck whether samples are in tune? You music majors sicken me. In other news, it's fun to post about how bad a trader multsanta is and then have people mail you about how they're getting dicked over by him too.

hime@kali.wf.net wrote:

quoted 7 lines well, this makes sense in light of j. lesesne having a near-criminal

> > well, this makes sense in light of j. lesesne having a near-criminal > > aversion to tuning her samples. > Here's the research I go through when listening to music: > Do I like it? > Where can I find it? > Who gives a fuck whether samples are in tune? You music majors sicken > me.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Well I wasn't going to jump up when ehill@best.com mentioned the tuning, but doesn't anyone else find the vicious response of yet another tone-deaf person *a little bit* amusing (or should I say depressing)? Two things, hime: Firstly, recognizing whether something's in tune or not has nothing to do with studying music; a lot of people with no knowledge of musical notation or anything take it into account. Secondly, we discussed this all less than a week ago and I think by now it's fairly clear that conservatively around a third of the people on this list care about whether samples are in tune. Do I like a piece of music? Not if the tuning drives me crazy. In other news... The Carpet Bomb comp "Highways Over Gardens" is still BRILLIANT. nd yes, there are wonkily-tuned bits in it, but stylistically they're fine. When something is meant to sound honky, or meant to sound queasy, hey fine. Also, the 2 Lone Swordsmen album "Stay Down" is excellent. I've not liked their previous stuff (whilst I do like Sabres of Paradise) but this is beautifully produced (yeah, organic, watery, etc) intricate stuff, recalling Mouse on Mars in many ways. Very recommended. Peter. -- Peter Hollo raven@fourplay.com.au http://www.fourplay.com.au/me.html FourPlay - Eclectic Electric String Quartet http://www.fourplay.com.au "Of course, dance music can be a music where you lie on your back and your brain cells dance" -Michael Karoli of Can, quoted in Wire mag.

quoted 13 lines hime@kali.wf.net wrote:

> hime@kali.wf.net wrote: > > > well, this makes sense in light of j. lesesne having a near-criminal > > > aversion to tuning her samples. > > Here's the research I go through when listening to music: > > Do I like it? > > Where can I find it? > > Who gives a fuck whether samples are in tune? You music majors sicken > > me. > > HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA > Well I wasn't going to jump up when ehill@best.com mentioned the tuning, > but doesn't anyone else find the vicious response of yet another > tone-deaf person *a little bit* amusing (or should I say depressing)?

Does anyone find the fact that there are wankers on IDM surprising? I've discussed this personally with a close friend who has studied music for quite a while, and we both came to this conclusion: There is such a thing as thinking TOO MUCH about music. I live in a town with the most pointlessly famous jazz school (Denton, TX - UNT) - and there are way too many people around here who are too closedminded to even recognize music created whole with synths as valid. So musical Luddites bother me in many various forms.

quoted 6 lines Two things, hime: Firstly, recognizing whether something's in tune or

> Two things, hime: Firstly, recognizing whether something's in tune or > not has nothing to do with studying music; a lot of people with no > knowledge of musical notation or anything take it into account. > Secondly, we discussed this all less than a week ago and I think by now > it's fairly clear that conservatively around a third of the people on > this list care about whether samples are in tune.

Okay, and?

quoted 1 line Do I like a piece of music? Not if the tuning drives me crazy.

> Do I like a piece of music? Not if the tuning drives me crazy.

Oh well. I personally, can get above/beyond/around/whatever it.

quoted 4 lines In other news... The Carpet Bomb comp "Highways Over Gardens" is still

> In other news... The Carpet Bomb comp "Highways Over Gardens" is still > BRILLIANT. nd yes, there are wonkily-tuned bits in it, but stylistically > they're fine. When something is meant to sound honky, or meant to sound > queasy, hey fine.

Speaking of Honky, stay tuned for more... even if I did just insult "one third" of the list.

[Peter Hollo]

quoted 13 lines hime@kali.wf.net wrote:

> hime@kali.wf.net wrote: > > > well, this makes sense in light of j. lesesne having a near-criminal > > > aversion to tuning her samples. > > Here's the research I go through when listening to music: > > Do I like it? > > Where can I find it? > > Who gives a fuck whether samples are in tune? You music majors sicken > > me. > > HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA > Well I wasn't going to jump up when ehill@best.com mentioned the tuning, > but doesn't anyone else find the vicious response of yet another > tone-deaf person *a little bit* amusing (or should I say depressing)?

aich. some people have a way of ruining a perfectly good joke BY NOT GETTING IT :) that is, i was making fun of both of you.

quoted 4 lines Two things, hime: Firstly, recognizing whether something's in tune or

> > Two things, hime: Firstly, recognizing whether something's in tune or > not has nothing to do with studying music; a lot of people with no > knowledge of musical notation or anything take it into account.

that's because sounds can be of variable degrees of out-of-tune-ness, depending on the listener, as you have proven with your observation that a segment of the population can find a piece with out-of-tune (can "dissonance" be substituted in here?) that others find agreeable. [i am reminded of the lameness grant rephlex used to spurt from time to time: "you aren't listening to it right."] basically, you've proven that out-of-tune-ness is a value judgment that some hold more bearing on than others, but i digress. recognizing whether something's "in tune" or "not," has nothing to do with whether someone is well-versed in the science of music, since such training only teaches how to measure such 'out of tune-ness,' once it's recognized. the music you grew up on is the most likely culprit for providing the affliction of sensitivity to sonic-asymmetry and dissonance. since there is no necessary training involved in acquiring this sensitivity, we can assume that people who experience it do so to varying degrees, and can be said to express their sensitivity to out-of-tune-ness as a preference for 'in-tune' music. viewed as having a preference for 'in-tune' music, the musically-untrained listener has no reference to any musical science other than their own history of music listening, and in addition to noticing the harmonic qualities within the piece they're listening, they are also comparing it to all of the harmonic preferences they've built up over the years. "does this piece of music violate any of my harmonic sensibilities?" the listener asks himself imperceptibly, "yes, that bass sample is a minor 3rd (or whatever, if they have training) flat. time to add this to the weekly fs/ft posting." or, "eeew, that sounds out of place, i don't like it." you pays your money, you takes your chance. in light of the structures of western pop music, especially in the recent past that all of us have grown up in, it's surprising that more than a third don't share your intolerance. it's been 80-some years since people started publishing music without regard for the modes of the well-tempered scale, y'all buy your music as if [the guy who did the fists-on-piano thing, but feel free to choose your own.] never existed. to bring this down to practical levels, if you're sensitive to dissonance and your buying decisions follow that sensitivity, in my opinion you are missing out on some positively dazzling music. i think that the ability to break out of conventional harmonic structures/tunings/etc. is one of the primary strengths of electronic instruments. eric onnow: jet chamber 1 (fax)

peter hollo wrote:

quoted 5 lines hime@kali.wf.net wrote:

> hime@kali.wf.net wrote: > > Who gives a fuck whether samples are in tune? You music majors sicken > > me. > > HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

and

quoted 4 lines In other news... The Carpet Bomb comp "Highways Over Gardens" is still

> In other news... The Carpet Bomb comp "Highways Over Gardens" is still > BRILLIANT. nd yes, there are wonkily-tuned bits in it, but stylistically > they're fine. When something is meant to sound honky, or meant to sound > queasy, hey fine.

so its about as good a metric on the quality of a release as say the bpm or instruments/equipment used. i.e. no chuffin use whatsoever. -martin np: push squarely "rotted one is music note"