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did you ever think that maybe records create their own sort of reverb. when you play vinyl the sounds doesn't come out of the speakers instantaneously after the groove hits the needle. it may seem so but i'm sure it takes a billionth of a second or so for the sound to come out. when the sound comes out of the speakers it creates the same kind of frequencies and vibrations that the vinyl did a billionth (or whatever) of a second earlier. the vibes and freqs from the speakers (if they are good enough [mind you this whole thing probably doesn't work if you just have the headphones on]) ought to be able to grind themselves into the vinyl using the stylus itself, so there would be a "sound of the sound after the sound" you know what i'm sayin'. its like an artificial reverb. perhaps if you had some BIG speakers right up next to the stylus then you could create reverb good enough to set off a domino or (i'm not sure if this is the right term for this but) a fractal effect where each delay would creat the next until they were to hard to hear. if any of this was true you probably wouldn't even be able to hear it (so this whole paragraph has no point). well i don't know // maybe if you played the record enough time and the original track got worn down to where you could here it, but that could take a long time. ???л ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

rod a lester wrote:

quoted 11 lines did you ever think that maybe records create their own sort of

> did you ever think that maybe records create their own sort of > reverb. when you play vinyl the sounds doesn't come out of the speakers > instantaneously after the groove hits the needle. it may seem so but i'm > sure it takes a billionth of a second or so for the sound to come out. > when the sound comes out of the speakers it creates the same kind of > frequencies and vibrations that the vinyl did a billionth (or whatever) > of a second earlier. the vibes and freqs from the speakers (if they are > good enough [mind you this whole thing probably doesn't work if you just > have the headphones on]) ought to be able to grind themselves into the > vinyl using the stylus itself, so there would be a "sound of the sound > after the sound" you know what i'm sayin'. its like an artificial reverb.

It's called feedback and it's generally hard on the ears and/or the brain. I saw the mego guys do a show where they miked the speakers and various places around the room, played noise on their laptops and mixed the whole mess together with a small mixer. Depending on which mikes they opened up, you get different layers of feedback. The end result was kaka and the only thing that made it cool was my girlfriend and I screaming weird noises over the top of the whole mess to give it some structure. :-) word, brock

quoted 11 lines It's called feedback and it's generally hard on the ears and/or the

> It's called feedback and it's generally hard on the ears and/or the > brain. > > I saw the mego guys do a show where they miked the speakers and various > places around the room, played noise on their laptops and mixed the > whole mess together with a small mixer. Depending on which mikes they > opened up, you get different layers of feedback. > > The end result was kaka and the only thing that made it cool was my > girlfriend and I screaming weird noises over the top of the whole mess > to give it some structure.

sounds like something i would have been way into. now im bummed i missed it. minus the vocal bits of course, not offense brock, but im not all into screamy vocals :) chris (who very much enjoyed masonna live both times..)

On Fri, 23 Oct 1998 19:00:33 -0700 Brock Suter <brock@alchemyfx.com> writes:

quoted 2 lines It's called feedback and it's generally hard on the ears and/or the

>It's called feedback and it's generally hard on the ears and/or the >brain.

no, i'm not talking about feedback (well kinda, but not in the same way). i'm talking about acually putting (or grinding, if you will) the actuall sound back onto the vinyl itself. the finished product would be the reverbed vinyl, not the feedbackish noise. ???л ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

zimbo wrote:

quoted 8 lines The end result was kaka and the only thing that made it cool was my

> > The end result was kaka and the only thing that made it cool was my > > girlfriend and I screaming weird noises over the top of the whole mess > > to give it some structure. > > sounds like something i would have been way into. > now im bummed i missed it. > minus the vocal bits of course, not offense brock, but im not all into > screamy vocals :)

It wasn't 'screamy vocals', more like strange growly filter sweeped faux synth sounds and timestretched animal noises that we're were producing with our mouths. Much more high speed then just screaming! word to the mothership, brock