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Re: Fwd: (idm) Tricky Regarding Spooky?

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1998-10-06 14:50Sam Frank (idm) Tricky Regarding Spooky?
1998-10-06 16:16Rodney Perkins Re: (idm) Tricky Regarding Spooky?
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1998-10-06 14:50Sam FrankCan anyone help me out with that Tricky quote from a year or 2 ago regarding Spooky? Somet
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Can anyone help me out with that Tricky quote from a year or 2 ago regarding Spooky? Something to the effect of "He shouldstop talking until he does some tracks that just rip your head off". And keep an eye out for a Tricky small club tour in November. I believe he's coming through New Haven CT and Jacksonville Florida, but those are the only ones I've heard about. I can't decide how I like the new Spooky album. It's defintely not as pretentious as his earlier efforts, but the art wank remains. Sometimes his beats are great, but other times it seems like he's trying to do staight hiphop or d nb and failing, ike he jst isses the point a little bit. And for all his talk about combining all the music of the world, his real influences are pretty obviously hiphop and the NY d nb scene, with a little bit of avaant improv and jazz thrown in. Which is fine and understandable, but it doesn't justify his big talk as the grand synthesist. Tricky comes a lot closer than Spooky t doing that and Company Flow is far more abrasive and dystopian than Spooky's Atari smart bombs and "stock footage" voice samples. the man samples Sublime and Puff daddy without a hint of irony, and I think there's something wrong with that. But damn, Riddim Warfarre has got to be one of the best (if not the best) marriages of hiphop and d n b yet. And some of the other hard jungle tracks are amazing. But then he goes and ruins trhem with fucking pretentious, arrogant art talk. I don't know what to think... Any other opinions? Sam
1998-10-06 16:16Rodney PerkinsTo be truthful, Tricky talks a lot of sh*t. Carl Craig called Tricky out on this in an iss
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To be truthful, Tricky talks a lot of sh*t. Carl Craig called Tricky out on this in an issue of Mondo 2000. It was right on the money and I'll post it later. Is reciting old hip-hop lyrics (Lyrics of Fury, Black Steel) over hipped-up backing tracks a synthesis? Hardly. He's good but he is not Jesus. I think Massive Attack are a far better example of a similar sound (in fact, they are the originators). Spooky probably spends too much thinking about what he's doing but given the current lack of depth in music, I can handle a bit of pretension. I think his recorded output is ace. "Songs of a Dead Dreamer" was definitely a successful attempt at a synthesis of many different forms. I was hoping "Riddim Warfare" would use a similar "mix-tape" approach but it is still fantastic. I especially like his live sets.
quoted 26 lines Can anyone help me out with that Tricky quote from a year or 2 ago>Can anyone help me out with that Tricky quote from a year or 2 ago >regarding Spooky? Something to the effect of "He shouldstop talking until >he does some tracks that just rip your head off". > And keep an eye out for a Tricky small club tour in November. I believe >he's coming through New Haven CT and Jacksonville Florida, but those are >the only ones I've heard about. > I can't decide how I like the new Spooky album. It's defintely not as >pretentious as his earlier efforts, but the art wank remains. Sometimes >his beats are great, but other times it seems like he's trying to do >staight hiphop or d nb and failing, ike he jst isses the point a little >bit. And for all his talk about combining all the music of the world, his >real influences are pretty obviously hiphop and the NY d nb scene, with a >little bit of avaant improv and jazz thrown in. Which is fine and >understandable, but it doesn't justify his big talk as the grand >synthesist. Tricky comes a lot closer than Spooky t doing that and Company >Flow is far more abrasive and dystopian than Spooky's Atari smart bombs and >"stock footage" voice samples. the man samples Sublime and Puff daddy >without a hint of irony, and I think there's something wrong with that. > But damn, Riddim Warfarre has got to be one of the best (if not the best) >marriages of hiphop and d n b yet. And some of the other hard jungle >tracks are amazing. But then he goes and ruins trhem with fucking >pretentious, arrogant art talk. I don't know what to think... Any other opinions? > >Sam > >
1998-10-07 16:21Brian J Tang> To be truthful, Tricky talks a lot of sh*t. Carl Craig called Tricky out on > this in an
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quoted 3 lines To be truthful, Tricky talks a lot of sh*t. Carl Craig called Tricky out on> To be truthful, Tricky talks a lot of sh*t. Carl Craig called Tricky out on > this in an issue of Mondo 2000. It was right on the money and > I'll post it later.
Tricky does have a penchant for dissing people. But really in the case of Paul D. Miller also known as DJ Spooky it was spot-on. Well any dissing is in my book. I think Paul Miller is so full of crap. His attempts to intellectualize music are total garbage. Like speaks such shit. One of the local free weeklies around here, likes to diss dat Subliminal Kid now and again. Paul comes back and calls them rascist in large words. Like he can use large words but not get beyond name-calling. Anyway, I think he's a snake-oil salesman. If you find something in his music, you are more evolved than I am. Plus Paul can't mix to save his life.
quoted 42 lines Is reciting old hip-hop lyrics (Lyrics of Fury, Black> Is reciting old hip-hop lyrics (Lyrics of Fury, Black > Steel) over hipped-up backing tracks a synthesis? Hardly. He's good but he > is not Jesus. I think Massive Attack are a far better example of a similar > sound (in fact, they are the originators). > > > Spooky probably spends too much thinking about what he's doing but given the > current lack of depth in music, I can handle a bit of pretension. I think > his recorded output is ace. "Songs of a Dead Dreamer" was definitely a > successful attempt at a synthesis of many different forms. I was hoping > "Riddim Warfare" would use a similar "mix-tape" approach but it is still > fantastic. I especially like his live sets. > > > > >Can anyone help me out with that Tricky quote from a year or 2 ago > >regarding Spooky? Something to the effect of "He shouldstop talking until > >he does some tracks that just rip your head off". > > And keep an eye out for a Tricky small club tour in November. I believe > >he's coming through New Haven CT and Jacksonville Florida, but those are > >the only ones I've heard about. > > I can't decide how I like the new Spooky album. It's defintely not as > >pretentious as his earlier efforts, but the art wank remains. Sometimes > >his beats are great, but other times it seems like he's trying to do > >staight hiphop or d nb and failing, ike he jst isses the point a little > >bit. And for all his talk about combining all the music of the world, his > >real influences are pretty obviously hiphop and the NY d nb scene, with a > >little bit of avaant improv and jazz thrown in. Which is fine and > >understandable, but it doesn't justify his big talk as the grand > >synthesist. Tricky comes a lot closer than Spooky t doing that and Company > >Flow is far more abrasive and dystopian than Spooky's Atari smart bombs and > >"stock footage" voice samples. the man samples Sublime and Puff daddy > >without a hint of irony, and I think there's something wrong with that. > > But damn, Riddim Warfarre has got to be one of the best (if not the best) > >marriages of hiphop and d n b yet. And some of the other hard jungle > >tracks are amazing. But then he goes and ruins trhem with fucking > >pretentious, arrogant art talk. I don't know what to think... Any other opinions? > > > >Sam > > > > >
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1998-10-06 18:31EvilIzzo@aol.com
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1998-10-06 18:39wellsAt 02:31 PM 10/6/98 EDT, EvilIzzo@aol.com wrote: >From: EvilIzzo@aol.com >Return-path: <Ev
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quoted 15 lines From: EvilIzzo@aol.com>From: EvilIzzo@aol.com >Return-path: <EvilIzzo@aol.com> >To: samuel.frank@yale.edu >Subject: Re: (idm) Tricky Regarding Spooky? >Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 14:31:12 EDT >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > >Is this the same "Spooky" that did the "Gargantuan" album. 40% of it is >just OK, but the rest, Oh Man. I still have'nt grown out of it. As >commercial sounding as they are, "Schmoodub" and "Little Bullet" are still >classics in my collection. Anyway, if it is the same guy, what's the name of >the CD, and on what label is it? I'd like to give it a shot, despite the >hiphop influence.
erm.. Spooky is a band consisting of two guys (whose names escape me) and then there is DJ Spooky (aka Paul D Miller, aka Pretentious Artsy Fuck), who is being referred to in this thread.. You're probably thinking about the band... :: wells oliver / s0ewoliv@titan.vcu.edu / http://mute.simplenet.com :: 'try to smile as they devour our youth'
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1998-10-06 20:08Mark StevensOn Tue, 6 Oct 1998 14:49:41 EDT, you wrote: >Thanks. I had a feeling that I was thinking o
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On Tue, 6 Oct 1998 14:49:41 EDT, you wrote:
quoted 4 lines Thanks. I had a feeling that I was thinking of the wrong "Spooky." Since I>Thanks. I had a feeling that I was thinking of the wrong "Spooky." Since I >brought it up, does anyone know if "Spooky" the band has a new disc out yet. >I know its int as I--dm as most would prefer, but any insight would be >appreciated. Thanks
Spooky not IDM-ish enough for this list? Who told you that? They should be taken out and shot. Sure, 'Gargantuan' was a teensy bit 'poppy', but their second album, 'Found Sound', was one of my favourite albums of 1996 (or was it 1997?), sounding like a hybrid of Orbital and early Autechre. Wonderful stuff -- snap it up immediately. Oh, and look out for the 'Found Sound' video too, which is about 30 minutes long and comprises of highlights of the album. Great visuals. /\/)ark http://www.sonance.demon.co.uk/