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CiM wrote:

quoted 6 lines Just noticed that most people who sent in lists had a fair amount of US

> Just noticed that most people who sent in lists had a fair amount of US > Industrial stuff listed which I thought was interesting - shows how the > IDM readership has really shifted from a UK/European base (when we used > to talk about things like The Orb, Rephlex, A.R.T. and Detroit > influenced Techno with only guys like Jon (Drukman) and Greg banging on > about Industrial stuff) [...]

Ironic that CiM mentions this in the context of the "records that changed my diapers" thread, really ... on a couple of levels. I admit that I came to Techno and IDM from an immediate Industrial (and, much less so, Rap) precursor background, so I probably tended to blather on in the earlier days of the list from that perspective. And my own tastes in Techno are definitely oriented towards music that has that Industrial-informed aesthetic to some degree - seeing Aphex play "The Garden of Linmiri" live (that Pirelli tire commercial song, for those of you playing along at home) back in '92 single-handedly convinced me that Industrial was a dead genre, and seeing Carl Craig play his hardest 69 material live back in '94 left me with permanent concrete chin rash scars. But if I were to try and list "music that changed my life" (a hopeless task, given over 25 years' of immersion - Irene, Kent, can I get a witness?), I suspect that the vast majority of it would not be Industrial, and would cover most readily-identifiable genres and sub-genres that have existed over that time. Thus the irony. <rant> That said, I don't think these lists people are posting are very useful. To paraphrase Andre Agassi, "Context is everything" :-) Plain lists are just going to either reinforce something you already feel (if you own the records mentioned) or wash over you if you don't own them (or, of course, if you disagree with it - personally, bands like The Pixies or The Replacements never registered more than a blip on my personal map, for example). In short, if it changed your life, isn't it important enough to take the time - even a *one-liner* - to say *why*? C'mon kids ... </rant>

quoted 2 lines I used to know almost all the bands/artists

> I used to know almost all the bands/artists > mentioned on IDM a few years back but I certainly don't now.

'S OK Simon, yer just gettin' old ... hehehehe :-)

quoted 2 lines Detroit Techno and Ambient stuff doesn't really get a mention any more

> Detroit Techno and Ambient stuff doesn't really get a mention any more > but that's due to 313 and Ambient lists forming I guess.

I suppose that's true in part. I know *my* personal list would include lots of both. But one thing I noticed is that almost without exception, people are posting *albums* rather than singles or, say, particular album tracks that might have single-handedly changed one's life. This probably hurts the Detroit folks in this kind of tabulation. (Do I list "Innovator" because "Nude Photo" absolutely, positively, changed my life?) I also suspect we're seeing a case where the "consensus" of these lists (erm, Least Common Denominator really) is influenced by The Kinds Of People That Would Reply And Post Those Kinds Of Lists, too :-) (I suspect there's a lot of people on the list who simply Wouldn't Bother when these things come up.) - Greg

On 18 Sep 98, Greg Earle wrote re: (idm) Industrial changed my diapers:

quoted 2 lines try and list "music that changed my life" (a hopeless task, given

> try and list "music that changed my life" (a hopeless task, given > over 25 years' of immersion - Irene, Kent, can I get a witness?)

Yes; you're absolutely right - seeing I'm personally being called on, I shall have to do this ( I was trying to stick my head in the sand ) : Juno Reactor's "Rotorblade" - a section of which was on a free CD with The Mix - was the first real push over the edge into my present musical realm. Here's a jumbled history of where it all went wrong :-) The Beatles - all their singles and early stuff especially John Martyn : Solid Air The Bothy Band (Irish trad.) Alan Stivell Talking Heads - 77 B-52's (very very very loudly) Devo - Are we not men Wire : 152 / Chairs Missing / Pink Flag Grateful Dead : American Beauty Echo & The B - Heaven up Here Shriekback - Oil and Gold New Model Army - Ghost of Cain The Police Eno & various : After the heat / Bush of Ghosts etc. Deutsch Amerikanische Freundschaft - all DAF's early stuff The Doors (esp. Riders on the Storm) Pat Metheny : As Wichita falls, so falls Wichita Falls Martha & The Muffins : Echo Beach (the track) The The : Infected UB40 - Signing Off SoM : A slight Case of Overbombing Underworld : Dubnobass... FSOL : Dead Cities Portishead - s/t Leftfield : Leftism Carl Craig (Wonderful World, the track) Luke Slater - Freek Funk (Track PURELY blows me every time) Squarepusher : Beep Street (the track) Aural Expansion - Surreal Sheep oh - and Brahms' Requiem. Which I've sung in the with the CT Symphony Orchestra choir. Goosebumpy experience deluxe. And about a million more - the list grows every day. Most recent entry being Bernd Friedmann in his various guises. Exhausted .... and already regretting all the ones I haven't mentioned. I *

Greg Earle wrote:

quoted 1 line That said, I don't think these lists people are posting are very useful.

> That said, I don't think these lists people are posting are very useful.

Isn't that the truth, IMHO...

quoted 2 lines In short, if it changed your life, isn't it important enough to take the

> In short, if it changed your life, isn't it important enough to take the > time - even a *one-liner* - to say *why*? C'mon kids ...

No. I've been enjoying music for damn near 30 years, but I wouldn't say that any of it 'changed my life' other then giving me a ton of enjoyment. Enjoyment is just that and I'd say it's a far cry from 'changing your life'.

quoted 2 lines (I suspect there's a lot of people on the list who simply

> (I suspect there's a lot of people on the list who simply > Wouldn't Bother when these things come up.)

I haven't and I've been seeing this thread reoccurring on two mailing list's I'm on. Not only has this thread bored the shit out of me, but I've deleted all every message after the first three, unread. Not trying to be an asshole, but it's a personal thing and should most likely be left there. But then again, I guess it gives you insight into the people posting the lists. It's not for me to say that it might not be useful for other people but not for me. That said, you want the one stupid LP that changed my life? The 'Wild at Heart' soundtrack. why? Because my exgirlfriend, who looked like Laura Dern, dumped me after 5 wonderful years and it made me cry every time I heard it. Repeated listings made me stronger, after I got over the heartache. Greg, are you happy now? :-P brock, drunk as hell and being silly.

In a message dated 9/19/98 3:01:25 AM, you wrote: <<

quoted 3 lines In short, if it changed your life, isn't it important enough to take the

> In short, if it changed your life, isn't it important enough to take the > time - even a *one-liner* - to say *why*? C'mon kids ... >>

quoted 1 line the album(s) that changed my life was the merzbow five hundred cd box set

>>>>>the album(s) that changed my life was the merzbow five hundred cd box set

because after I bought it I had to move into the poorest part of town where I always got hastled by pimps and drug dealers cause I couldn't afford to live anywhere else:(

On Sat, 19 Sep 1998 Kid60666@aol.com wrote:

quoted 4 lines the album(s) that changed my life was the merzbow five hundred cd box set

> >>>>>the album(s) that changed my life was the merzbow five hundred cd box set > because after I bought it I had to move into the poorest part of town where I > always got hastled by pimps and drug dealers cause I couldn't afford to live > anywhere else:(

hey, is that out yet? * #### a disturbance in a system. #### laerm. @voicenet.com ##:# reduced to perfection.