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1998-07-09 14:43Christopher Fahey (idm) Sampling/How The Music Was Created
1998-07-09 17:19Andrew Cowper (idm) Sampling/How The Music Was Created
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1998-07-09 14:43Christopher FaheyIn response to the various responses to my post: > Mother of God! What is this rubbish? Wh
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Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:43:31 -0400
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(idm) Sampling/How The Music Was Created
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In response to the various responses to my post:
quoted 1 line Mother of God! What is this rubbish? When a musician is considering doing> Mother of God! What is this rubbish? When a musician is considering doing
anything
quoted 2 lines he needs to think carefully about only one question. "Does it sound good?"> he needs to think carefully about only one question. "Does it sound good?" > Noone needs a load of rules for correct/incorrect music creation. If we
judge music
quoted 1 line not by how it sounds, but by how it was created - then we've lost the plot> not by how it sounds, but by how it was created - then we've lost the plot
completely.
quoted 1 line Take this "Keep Music Live" crap and return it to the fifty year old> Take this "Keep Music Live" crap and return it to the fifty year old
rockers where it
quoted 1 line belongs.> belongs.
NO! NO! Just because I say you should *think before you sample*, everyone accuses me of being some kind of "Keep Music Live!" hippie or something. All I ask is that we, fans and artists, think about the music a bit! That's what the "I" stands for in IDM. I totally disagree that the sole question when judging music should be "Does it sound good?" I could release a record which is nothing but a giant sample of Bitches Brew and satisfy your simple criteria. You have to hold artists to a certain standard of artistic integrity, and your standard is simply not high enough for almost anyone (except maybe a person who thinks postmodernism is a fundamentalist religion). Judging music by How It Was Created is and always should be one of the criteria. If I told you I was an expert cellist, then I stood behind a curtain and played a Yoyo Ma album, wouldn't that be a bit of an ethical problem? I think you're lying to yourself if you think that How The Music Was Created doesn't come into play in your opinions. (For me, part of almost every musical experience, I think, is a degree of personal identification with the artist, imagining yourself making the music and what kind of skills it would take to do it.) I find it strange that you and others saw my list of QUESTIONS and saw them as RULES. What you call rules, I call plain old "thinking". Frankly, I can't even fathom how anyone could use a sample and not ask themselves these pretty simple, basic questions.
quoted 5 lines I still think that using the Amen Break in 1998 would be hard to justify> > I still think that using the Amen Break in 1998 would be hard to justify > > artistically. > > I disagree with this too. I think you'd be hard pressed to come up with > unique amen usage these days, but it could be done.
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I SAID!!! I never said you CAN'T, I just said it would be HARD. (grrrr)
quoted 2 lines It still takes a skilled chef to make delicious soup from store-bought> It still takes a skilled chef to make delicious soup from store-bought > ingredients, even with shelves full of cup-o'-soup.
Ah, yes, wisdom! Again, I'm not saying it can't be done, but if I go to your house for dinner and you give me cup-o'-soup straight out of the box, no matter how good it may be, I'm not going to be impressed with your cooking skills. I may *like the soup*, but I will probably think of you as a lazy chef (if I even think of you as a chef at all). But if you make me a stew which happens to have cup-o-soup as an ingredient (it's possible!), yet you've employed other culinary skills and ingredients as well, then I will think of you as a chef. -Cf ' - . _ . - ' ^ ' - . _ . - ' ^ ' - . _ . - c h r i s t ø p h e r f ª h e y . _ . - ' ^ ' - . _ . - ' ^ ' - . _ . - ' ^ chris@raremedium.com 2 1 2 - 6 3 4 - 6 9 5 0 x 2 5 8 http://www.raremedium.com - ' ^ ' - . _ . - ' ^ ' - . _ . - ' ^ ' - .
1998-07-09 17:19Andrew Cowper"Christopher Fahey" <chris@raremedium.com>: >NO! NO! Just because I say you should *think
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Andrew Cowper
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'idm'
Date:
Thu, 9 Jul 1998 13:19:24 -0400
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(idm) Sampling/How The Music Was Created
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"Christopher Fahey" <chris@raremedium.com>:
quoted 4 lines NO! NO! Just because I say you should *think before you sample*,>NO! NO! Just because I say you should *think before you sample*, >everyone accuses me of being some kind of "Keep Music Live!" hippie or >something. All I ask is that we, fans and artists, think about the music a >bit! That's what the "I" stands for in IDM.
OK, so I overeacted a little. Its just when I see load of criteria (rules?Questions? whatever) for music creation I automatically think of "Keep Music Live" and get a little hot under the collar. I do believe though that the final sound coming out of the speakers is all that counts in decided whether you like a piece of music or not. As to artistic integrity and ripping off Bitches Brew, I say as long as I'm not being lied to I've got no problem. And providing Miles gets his due of course. Cheers Andrew C. np - Journey into the unknown - Vibert mix from brainwashed