[You don?t have to listen to anyone, just think about what he or she has to
say, and what he or she tries to tell you, then think, and then think, and
then realize what you believe.]
[About cex...]
I don't think cex blew himself out of proportion, but one of his remarks did
puzzle me...
terrence01@hotmail.com writes...
quoted 5 lines your music is still more of the same old shit, more soulless
>your music is still more of the same old shit, more soulless
>boring fm
>melodies piling on top of crunchy little hip hop beats. Check yourself
>before
>you wreck yourself.
(personally i don't agree with this statement, but well that's just me.)
cex writes back...
quoted 5 lines because the quality of the music i put out (2 years ago) affects whether or
>because the quality of the music i put out (2 years ago) affects whether or
>not Funkstorung are in reality good at doing hip hop-
>esque tracks....? right. ok. i guess i just didn't realize my right to be
>a music
>listener was revoked when i started releasing music.
Now, what puzzles me is the "2 years ago" reply. I don't see why, in this
seemingly defensive reply, cex needed to defend himself. Is this to say
that music he made 2 years ago was bad because he made it two years ago?
Probably not, at least i don't think so, but i still don't see the need for
such a defense mechanism. Perhaps human nature to defend one's work when it
is attacked, but i don't think that a composer such as Mozart would refute
music he made in the past, (hypothetically speaking i mean) if you talked to
him, just because he made in the past and not now. Musicians evolve, they
develop, they grow and learn, but this is not to say that tracks they made
in the past are not as good as the ones they make now. Given they might
have more knowledge in theory, or improvisation, or their software, or one
or all, etc., but this does not mean that the older tracks, made "2 years
ago" are any less emotional, thought provoking, or "good." Even though good
is relative, and everything is relative, this still does not mean that
perhaps i will not like cex's music in the future, perhaps more evolved, as
much as i enjoy it now, (we'll have to see what the future holds) but
perhaps I will be overwhelmed by his knowledge in his musical abilities,
software, hardware, theory, etc. that I just don?t enjoy it anymore. But
then who really cares anyway, who cares when he made his tracks, or using
what tools, or having what knowledge, i don't. As ling as I like them, then
I like them, or if I don't I don't. But I don't think that this list should
be used, (my personal opinion now) for deconstructive criticism. What did
"terrence01@hotmail.com" have in mind when he told cex that he didn't like
his music? Well why? Because he made remarks, (constructively) against
Funkst?rung and their "hip-hop" efforts? Maybe cex touched a sensitive
spot, just as if he were to attack autechre for their music, or similar an
artists, but at least he did it with some backing and knowledge. Well...we
have going in circles here. What I think I'm trying to say here is that i
hope we can live in a world, or on a list rather, where we can criticize
constructively, and thought provokingly. Knowledgeable criticism, and
making sure we don't present our arguments as fact? Perhaps, perhaps not,
oh well, it's surly not the end f the world...just hoped that we could get
some more intellectual conversation about "intelligent" music on that
list...but then who am I to tell anyone what to do, who am i to suggest? no
one and anyone? Sure.
[And about unsubscribing...]
So the topic of unsubscribing came up today...i really don't see why anyone
would want to unsubscribe from this list. I mean, is it such a burden on
your life that every once in a while some a**hole pops up and tries to sell
you a bootleg CD-r? If you see a person on the street begging for money, or
selling bootlegs, do you run away? No. You stand up for what you believe
in, and you stand your ground. If you think there is something wrong with
these people then tell whomever you think should be told, but telling the
whole list that you are going to unsubscribe, why? Do you think that
telling us [listmembers] that you'll unsubscribe will make the list all
better and all these "a**holes" run off into their holes because they don't
want to see you unsubscribe or be graced with your posts? No. It doesn't
really make a difference. But if you want to see the list be a better list,
then make it one. We can't have a better list if you just sit back and
watch (what I?ve come to realize sitting back and watching), you have to get
involved, talk to your community neighbors. If we all just did that, and
just ignored the CD-r posts and just told whomever (not via that list) about
them then that they did they would eventually go away, or they would get
kicked off. A scab that is picked doesn't just go away, it becomes a scar.
lander
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