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1998-06-05 20:25Lance C. McGannon (idm) More Brain Dance info...
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1998-06-05 22:18Gonzi Merchan Re: (idm) More Brain Dance info...
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1998-06-07 02:19Marc 3 Poirier Re: (idm) More Brain Dance info...
1998-06-08 21:32Jon Drukman Re: (idm) More Brain Dance info...
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1998-06-05 20:25Lance C. McGannonJust discovered that Rephlex's little 'Brain Dance' TM thing even has it's own logo. The l
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Just discovered that Rephlex's little 'Brain Dance' TM thing even has it's own logo. The logo is a black and white drawing of a brain with a foot coming out the bottom. Below the image is the word "Braindance" in a very sci-fi looking typeface. Looks like Rephlex is really trying to make "Brain Dance" the next buzzword. Will the name of this list soon change from IDM to BDM? -->-Lance--- p.o. box 450715 westlake, ohio 44145 united states
1998-06-05 20:32Aran M. ParilloOn Fri, 5 Jun 1998, Lance C. McGannon wrote: > Just discovered that Rephlex's little 'Brai
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On Fri, 5 Jun 1998, Lance C. McGannon wrote:
quoted 3 lines Just discovered that Rephlex's little 'Brain Dance' TM thing> Just discovered that Rephlex's little 'Brain Dance' TM thing > even has it's own logo. The logo is a black and white drawing > of a brain with a foot coming out the bottom. Below the image
How Python-y...or Fantstic Planet-y.
quoted 3 lines Looks like Rephlex is really trying to make "Brain Dance" the> Looks like Rephlex is really trying to make "Brain Dance" the > next buzzword. Will the name of this list soon change from > IDM to BDM?
I hope they try harder then "RIP 909!" Teep
1998-06-05 20:45ChaircrusherOn Fri, 5 Jun 1998, Aran M. Parillo wrote: > > I hope they try harder then "RIP 909!" > Ye
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On Fri, 5 Jun 1998, Aran M. Parillo wrote:
quoted 3 lines I hope they try harder then "RIP 909!"> > I hope they try harder then "RIP 909!" >
Yeah that one made no sense, since RDJ at the time was way into Roland drum machines -- 606 all over AB3 ... I'd have to say I've never heard a 909 on his records though. If you want to make Aphex style drum sounds these days, you do it in a sound editor -- sample someone hitting a cardboard box, lop off the mushy attack, and pitch it up an octave. Then use it in machine gun drum rolls. Oh, and if you like all those goofy sound effects on Come 2 Daddy, get a copy of SoundEdit16 and Soundhack and you're good to go. Also run a hihat sound through a reverb, get rid of everything but the reverb tail, and then amplify it. Be sure to randomly pitch shift your drum hits for good measure. I aim next week to put my money where my mouth is and make the Aphex Twin weirdstep track he never bothered to make. Maybe have my kids sing "I love to poopy in me diapers, mum!" and then loop it.
1998-06-05 22:18Gonzi Merchan> Looks like Rephlex is really trying to make "Brain Dance" the > next buzzword. Will the
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quoted 3 lines Looks like Rephlex is really trying to make "Brain Dance" the> Looks like Rephlex is really trying to make "Brain Dance" the > next buzzword. Will the name of this list soon change from > IDM to BDM?
Brain Dance is good and fine but lets not forget Mental Beat. :)
quoted 1 line bizarre video of the Rephlex crew on tour.> bizarre video of the Rephlex crew on tour.
heh, this is from the last rephlex euro tour. its actually a video for chaos AD. i think HQ might have sent one to AMP, what happened to that show? gnz.
1998-06-06 00:41Zenon M. FeszczakSounds like a damn David Lynch film scene. First the chickens, now brains. 3
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Sounds like a damn David Lynch film scene. First the chickens, now brains. 3
1998-06-07 02:19Marc 3 Poirier> If you want to make Aphex style drum sounds these days, you do it in > a sound editor --
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quoted 17 lines If you want to make Aphex style drum sounds these days, you do it in> If you want to make Aphex style drum sounds these days, you do it in > a sound editor -- sample someone hitting a cardboard box, lop off the > mushy attack, and pitch it up an octave. Then use it in machine gun > drum rolls. > > Oh, and if you like all those goofy sound effects on Come 2 Daddy, get > a copy of SoundEdit16 and Soundhack and you're good to go. > > Also run a hihat sound through a reverb, get rid of everything > but the reverb tail, and then amplify it. > > Be sure to randomly pitch shift your drum hits for good measure. > > I aim next week to put my money where my mouth is and make the Aphex > Twin weirdstep track he never bothered to make. > Maybe have my kids > sing "I love to poopy in me diapers, mum!" and then loop it.
& will it be one bit near as beautiful as any of the songs on "Come To Daddy" & give me any of the lovely feelings that that music does? Probably not. So you can dissect some of Richard James' sounds & come up with ways he may have used to create them. What's your point? It's not like anyone else can go back & retrace those steps, use those sounds, & then be guaranteed to have a song that anything near as good as that stuff. But I'm guessing that you don't really care for "Come To Daddy" & are trying to put it down. How is it, though, that you (& I've witnessed other people think this) think that if you can figure out how to make sounds that sound like another musician's sounds that that somehow that just totally debunks the music & the musician? You really should make your "Aphex Twin weirdstep" song so that you can realise that making a song worth listening to takes a lot more than putting a certain combination of sounds together.
quoted 2 lines Maybe have my kids sing "I love to poopy in me diapers, mum!"> Maybe have my kids sing "I love to poopy in me diapers, mum!" > and then loop it.
Enough of this already! The man makes one track in which he tampers with the voices of people talking about shit on a microphone & now people are constantly making jokes about him doing nothing but farting in his songs & writing lyrics about poops. Seriously, listen to his 200-something other commercially available songs if you have such a problem with that one & you can remain safe from ever having to hear anything about excrement in any of his songs. Marc Poirier
1998-06-08 21:32Jon DrukmanMarc 3 Poirier wrote: [kent williams description of afx production technique snipped] > &
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Marc 3 Poirier wrote: [kent williams description of afx production technique snipped]
quoted 2 lines & will it be one bit near as beautiful as any of the songs on "Come To> & will it be one bit near as beautiful as any of the songs on "Come To > Daddy" & give me any of the lovely feelings that that music does?
no, because you are prejudiced against kent cos he's just some guy on the net that you know and afx is a media-certified beautiful person.
quoted 5 lines But I'm guessing that you don't really care for "Come To Daddy" &> But I'm guessing that you don't really care for "Come To Daddy" & > are trying to put it down. How is it, though, that you (& I've witnessed > other people think this) think that if you can figure out how to make > sounds that sound like another musician's sounds that that somehow that > just totally debunks the music & the musician?
most of the time i agree it's irrelevant but when afx arrived with all his claims of building his own synths and programming his own sound-generating software it just set off bullshitometers all over the world. now we find that, oh yeah, really that brilliant rhythmic bounce in bouncing ball is an se-70 preset. those custom built synths are 606's through an ms-10 filter. debunking is fine when the source is claiming all sorts of shit.
quoted 4 lines You really should make> You really should make > your "Aphex Twin weirdstep" song so that you can realise that making a > song worth listening to takes a lot more than putting a certain > combination of sounds together.
having listened to kent's material i think that's a lesson he already knows quite well. -- Jon Drukman jsd@gamespot.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Plan: Eat right, exercise regularly, die anyway.
1998-06-09 04:18Marc 3 Poirier> > & will it be one bit near as beautiful as any of the songs on "Come > > To Daddy" & gi
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quoted 5 lines & will it be one bit near as beautiful as any of the songs on "Come> > & will it be one bit near as beautiful as any of the songs on "Come > > To Daddy" & give me any of the lovely feelings that that music does? > > no, because you are prejudiced against kent cos he's just some guy on > the net that you know and afx is a media-certified beautiful person.
Bullllllshit. I believe I followed that with, "Probably not." I've never heard the fellow's music & therefore don't have any opinion of it, let alone any prejudices, so I say it "probably" won't happpen coming from the probabilities I've encountered with music that excessively imitates music I love, & I pretty much always get nothing out of that music.
quoted 7 lines most of the time i agree it's irrelevant but when afx arrived with all> most of the time i agree it's irrelevant but when afx arrived with all > his claims of building his own synths and programming his own > sound-generating software it just set off bullshitometers all over the > world. now we find that, oh yeah, really that brilliant rhythmic bounce > in bouncing ball is an se-70 preset. those custom built synths are > 606's through an ms-10 filter. debunking is fine when the source is > claiming all sorts of shit.
Well, I can understand what you're saying here, but I think actually that people reading Richard's interviews have turned this into a bigger thing than he ever did. He hasn't ever actually claimed to build his own synthesizers, just to modify them, & I haven't heard him deny using regular synths straight up without modification. He even wears his Rolands proudly on the Caustic Window picture disc & I have an interview where the interviewer asks if he uses any standard synths & he says, "Yeah." I'll even send you an MPEG of it if you don't believe me. The things that he says he creates from scratch are little boxes with circuits in them that produce sounds of some sort. He samples them & uses them in his music. This doesn't seem too far fetched to me & I've basically gotten the feeling from reading interviews with Richard that he is really quite honest, even though I know most people seem to think the opposite.
quoted 4 lines You really should make> > You really should make > > your "Aphex Twin weirdstep" song so that you can realise that making a > > song worth listening to takes a lot more than putting a certain > > combination of sounds together.
quoted 2 lines having listened to kent's material i think that's a lesson he already> having listened to kent's material i think that's a lesson he already > knows quite well.
Okay, that's good. I've never heard his music as I've said, but I was responding to the approach he was describing in his message, which made making an Aphex Twin song sound like it involves nothing more than going through a checklist of sampling & editing procedures & effects processes. Kent may very well make heavenly music. Marc Poirier