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1998-05-21 16:01Rodney PerkinsI think the model can sustain in some instances (Durturo, NER, Tursa and World Serpent) bu

From:: Rodney Perkins <rdperkins@earthlink.net>
To:: Lazlo Nibble <lazlo@swcp.com>, <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Thu, 21 May 1998 16:01:08 +0000
Subject:: Re: (idm) Limited Pressings...

I think the model can sustain in some instances (Durturo, NER, Tursa and World Serpent) but I don't believe its a smart general practice. You need a great buzz (not necessarily good or interesting music) and some serious trainspotters to back you up. I bet a regular IDM listener wouldn't go near a "Hearts of Space" CD but if the same style was being sold by FAX (big buzz label who are IMHO releasing HOS-sound music), they might be inclined to drop $15 for it. Just one person's view... ----------

quoted 5 lines From: Lazlo Nibble <lazlo@swcp.com>

>From: Lazlo Nibble <lazlo@swcp.com> >To: armchair music <idm@hyperreal.org> >Subject: Re: (idm) Limited Pressings... >Date: Thu, May 21, 1998, 7:59 PM >

quoted 22 lines On Thu, May 21, 1998 at 10:55:15AM +0000, Rodney Perkins wrote:

>On Thu, May 21, 1998 at 10:55:15AM +0000, Rodney Perkins wrote: > >> Simple market laws also show that if the supply is smaller than the demand, >> you get MPEGs and CD-Rs distributed across the world and you get nothing. >> People are eventually going to realize that while selling small quantities >> at high prices increases cash flow, it ain't no way to sustain a business. > >On the contrary, you can sustain a business just fine by producing a large >number of very limited pressings. This is Fax's business model, and I don't >see them going away anytime soon. > >On the other hand, the history of the music business is littered with labels >that overpressed stuff they couldn't sell and went under as a result. > >You can argue against limited pressings from a lot of standpoints, but the >cashflow standpoint ain't one of them. They don't produce a *huge* flow, but >they produce a *steady* one, which matters more. > >-- >::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) >::: Internet Music Wantlists: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo/Wantlists >

1998-05-21 21:04Britton-James> I bet a regular IDM listener wouldn't go near > > a "Hearts of Space" CD but if the same

From:: Britton-James <brittonjames@aristotle.net>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Thu, 21 May 1998 22:04:17 +0100
Subject:: Re: hearts of space (was Re: (idm) Limited Pressings...)

quoted 6 lines I bet a regular IDM listener wouldn't go near

> I bet a regular IDM listener wouldn't go near > > a "Hearts of Space" CD but if the same style was being sold by FAX (big buzz > > label who are IMHO releasing HOS-sound music), they might be inclined to > > drop $15 for it. > > in my opinion, you are right

I think it needs to be pointed out here that there is some very lame stuff on Hearts Of Space label, and it's a label that goes back quite a ways into the time of new age music, where the label unabashedly advanced itself. The stuff that SHOULD be of interest to this discussion is HOS sub-imprint "FATHOM". I'm sure this was an oversight on the parts of the previous posters, and if you see the Fathom imprint on the back of an HOS CD you can be fairly sure it's going to have some good-to-great stuff on it, like 9/10 of the stuff the previous writer listed. There are good HOS releases other than Fathom stuff, like Michael Stearns "ambient" collection, but in general I'd stick with the far more experimental Fathom stuff (which is where they actually commissioned Mr. Lustmord, no doubt at the behest of trusted artist Robert Rich). My two cents. Charlie James

1998-05-22 16:16Jon Drukmanif you read my original msg more carefully you would have noticed that i specifically ment

From:: Jon Drukman <jsd@gamespot.com>
To:: Britton-James <brittonjames@aristotle.net>
Cc:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Fri, 22 May 1998 09:16:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject:: Re: hearts of space (was Re: (idm) Limited Pressings...)
Reply to:: Re: hearts of space (was Re: (idm) Limited Pressings...)

if you read my original msg more carefully you would have noticed that i specifically mentioned Fathom as being the good one. Jon Drukman jsd@gamespot.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Plan: Eat right, exercise regularly, die anyway. On Thu, 21 May 1998, Britton-James wrote:

quoted 4 lines stuff on Hearts Of Space label, and it's a label that goes back quite a

> stuff on Hearts Of Space label, and it's a label that goes back quite a > ways into the time of new age music, where the label unabashedly > advanced itself. The stuff that SHOULD be of interest to this discussion > is HOS sub-imprint "FATHOM". I'm sure this was an oversight on the parts

1998-05-21 22:19Jon DrukmanRodney Perkins wrote: > > I bet a regular IDM listener wouldn't go near > a "Hearts of Spa

From:: Jon Drukman <jsd@gamespot.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Thu, 21 May 1998 15:19:02 -0700
Subject:: hearts of space (was Re: (idm) Limited Pressings...)

Rodney Perkins wrote:

quoted 5 lines I bet a regular IDM listener wouldn't go near

> > I bet a regular IDM listener wouldn't go near > a "Hearts of Space" CD but if the same style was being sold by FAX (big buzz > label who are IMHO releasing HOS-sound music), they might be inclined to > drop $15 for it.

sorry to change the topic back to music... (heh) in my opinion, you are right (ie: the average idmer wouldn't go near HoS but will buy anything on FAX sight unseen), and it's a darn shame because most of the HoS stuff smokes your average FAX release. well, to be precise, the stuff on HoS' sub-label Fathom is great - some of the HoS stuff is a little too wishy-washy newagey for me. i have just about all the Fathom discs (helps that my friend used to be the art director) and they are uniformly excellent. some favorites: robert rich/lustmord - stalker: shit-your-pants-scary ambience. metallic insect chitters. bottomless bass drones. swamps of liquid metal. yeaargghh. michael stearns/ron sunsinger - kiva: freaky native american tribal rituals. drums, chants, synths, people vomiting during ayhuasca rituals, inside gigantic reverbs. lightwave - mundus subterraneus: screaky screetchy scraping sickening strings. the sound of metal strings being scraped by rusty razor blades. very unnerving. robert rich/steve roach - soma: percolating eastern rhythms, shimmering synth textures. like muslimgauze only more varied. michael stearns - the lost world: sweeping uplifting synths with the occasional siren-like vocal or chant. for standing on top of the tallest mountain and looking down at the clouds. suspended memories - (either, there are two): the sound of night in cities on the edge of the rainforest. rhythmic, slightly urban, slightly ancient. steve roach - the magnificent void: one of those rare albums where the title tells you all you need to know. -- Jon Drukman jsd@gamespot.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Plan: Eat right, exercise regularly, die anyway.

1998-05-21 23:23Adam HuffmanOn Thu, 21 May 1998, Jon Drukman wrote: > Rodney Perkins wrote: > > > > I bet a regular ID

From:: Adam Huffman <adam@larynx.shef.ac.uk>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Fri, 22 May 1998 00:23:20 +0100 (BST)
Subject:: Re: hearts of space (was Re: (idm) Limited Pressings...)
Reply to:: hearts of space (was Re: (idm) Limited Pressings...)

On Thu, 21 May 1998, Jon Drukman wrote:

quoted 15 lines Rodney Perkins wrote:

> Rodney Perkins wrote: > > > > I bet a regular IDM listener wouldn't go near > > a "Hearts of Space" CD but if the same style was being sold by FAX (big buzz > > label who are IMHO releasing HOS-sound music), they might be inclined to > > drop $15 for it. > > in my opinion, you are right (ie: the average idmer wouldn't go near HoS > but will buy anything on FAX sight unseen), and it's a darn shame > because most of the HoS stuff smokes your average FAX release. well, to > be precise, the stuff on HoS' sub-label Fathom is great - some of the > HoS stuff is a little too wishy-washy newagey for me. i have just about > all the Fathom discs (helps that my friend used to be the art director) > and they are uniformly excellent. some favorites: >

Virtually all the releases you mention are often discussed in very reverent tones on the Ambient list, in addition to the regular Fax flamings etc. I think there are quite a few people subscribed to both lists. adam

1998-05-22 02:16Bryan BickelI am on both lists an own quite a few fax releases, as well as alot of hearts of space rel

From:: Bryan Bickel <ae1650@wayne.edu>
To:: Adam Huffman <adam@larynx.shef.ac.uk>, <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Thu, 21 May 1998 22:16:25 -0400
Subject:: Re: hearts of space (was Re: (idm) Limited Pressings...)

I am on both lists an own quite a few fax releases, as well as alot of hearts of space releases, from steve roach, or others.. the hearts of space sub label; fathom, is probably one of the few labels who continually put out very good dark ambient material from steve roach, robert rich, michael stearns, steven kent, kenneth newby, alio die, and many more... Bryan Adam Huffman wrote:

quoted 24 lines On Thu, 21 May 1998, Jon Drukman wrote:

> On Thu, 21 May 1998, Jon Drukman wrote: > > > Rodney Perkins wrote: > > > > > > I bet a regular IDM listener wouldn't go near > > > a "Hearts of Space" CD but if the same style was being sold by FAX (big buzz > > > label who are IMHO releasing HOS-sound music), they might be inclined to > > > drop $15 for it. > > > > in my opinion, you are right (ie: the average idmer wouldn't go near HoS > > but will buy anything on FAX sight unseen), and it's a darn shame > > because most of the HoS stuff smokes your average FAX release. well, to > > be precise, the stuff on HoS' sub-label Fathom is great - some of the > > HoS stuff is a little too wishy-washy newagey for me. i have just about > > all the Fathom discs (helps that my friend used to be the art director) > > and they are uniformly excellent. some favorites: > > > > Virtually all the releases you mention are often discussed in very > reverent tones on the Ambient list, in addition to the regular Fax > flamings etc. I think there are quite a few people subscribed to both > lists. > > adam

-- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Bryan Bickel Ferndale, MI ae1650@wayne.edu http://www.msu.edu/user/nealjenn

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