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1998-05-21 05:56Tony Biedenkapp (idm) Limited Pressings...
1998-05-21 09:03Rodney Perkins Re: (idm) Limited Pressings...
└─ 1998-05-21 22:59Andrew Hime Re: (idm) Limited Pressings...
1998-05-21 09:36Rodney Perkins Re: (idm) Limited Pressings...
1998-05-21 10:55Rodney Perkins Re: (idm) Limited Pressings...
└─ 1998-05-21 19:59Lazlo Nibble Re: (idm) Limited Pressings...
1998-05-21 14:02mark s-walker Re: (idm) Limited Pressings...
1998-05-21 15:16robot Re: (idm) Limited Pressings...
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1998-05-21 16:01Rodney Perkins Re: (idm) Limited Pressings...
1998-05-22 02:45.szalemandre. Re: (idm) Limited Pressings...
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1998-05-21 05:56Tony BiedenkappJust how limited were the releases of: Cylob 'are we are not men who live and die' 7" BOC
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Just how limited were the releases of: Cylob 'are we are not men who live and die' 7" BOC 'Aquarius' 7"
1998-05-21 09:03Rodney PerkinsCylob = 250 3" CDS and 250 7" BOC = 500 7" Not a lot of records. ---------- >From: Tony Bi
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Cylob = 250 3" CDS and 250 7" BOC = 500 7" Not a lot of records. ----------
quoted 5 lines From: Tony Biedenkapp <teknocon@flash.net>>From: Tony Biedenkapp <teknocon@flash.net> >To: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: (idm) Limited Pressings... >Date: Thu, May 21, 1998, 5:56 AM >
quoted 8 lines Just how limited were the releases of:>Just how limited were the releases of: > >Cylob 'are we are not men who live and die' 7" >BOC 'Aquarius' 7" > > > >
1998-05-21 22:59Andrew Hime> Cylob = 250 3" CDS and 250 7" I got a copy of both formats, and my understanding was 500
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quoted 1 line Cylob = 250 3" CDS and 250 7"> Cylob = 250 3" CDS and 250 7"
I got a copy of both formats, and my understanding was 500 of each format.
1998-05-21 09:36Rodney PerkinsThats interesting. I think its been posted elsewhere (I'll have to find it) that the BOC 7
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Thats interesting. I think its been posted elsewhere (I'll have to find it) that the BOC 7" was released in a pressing of 500. A thousand records really isn't what I would call "limited." At that quantity, you'd think it would be cheaper than it was! Complaining oh so slightly, R.P. ----------
quoted 2 lines From: "mark s-walker" <mark@koons.demon.co.uk>>From: "mark s-walker" <mark@koons.demon.co.uk> >To: "Rodney Perkins" <rdperkins@earthlink.net>, "Tony Biedenkapp"
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quoted 3 lines Subject: Re: (idm) Limited Pressings...>Subject: Re: (idm) Limited Pressings... >Date: Thu, May 21, 1998, 2:02 PM >
quoted 6 lines BOC = 500 7">>BOC = 500 7" > > >1000 actually > >
1998-05-21 10:55Rodney PerkinsSimple market laws also show that if the supply is smaller than the demand, you get MPEGs
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Simple market laws also show that if the supply is smaller than the demand, you get MPEGs and CD-Rs distributed across the world and you get nothing. People are eventually going to realize that while selling small quantities at high prices increases cash flow, it ain't no way to sustain a business.
quoted 9 lines It depends on how many people want it. If 10,000 people want it, 1000> >It depends on how many people want it. If 10,000 people want it, 1000 >is pretty limited. If only 500 people want it, there are plenty to go >around... > >Simple market laws of supply and demand. > >-rbc3 >
1998-05-21 19:59Lazlo NibbleOn Thu, May 21, 1998 at 10:55:15AM +0000, Rodney Perkins wrote: > Simple market laws also
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On Thu, May 21, 1998 at 10:55:15AM +0000, Rodney Perkins wrote:
quoted 4 lines Simple market laws also show that if the supply is smaller than the demand,> Simple market laws also show that if the supply is smaller than the demand, > you get MPEGs and CD-Rs distributed across the world and you get nothing. > People are eventually going to realize that while selling small quantities > at high prices increases cash flow, it ain't no way to sustain a business.
On the contrary, you can sustain a business just fine by producing a large number of very limited pressings. This is Fax's business model, and I don't see them going away anytime soon. On the other hand, the history of the music business is littered with labels that overpressed stuff they couldn't sell and went under as a result. You can argue against limited pressings from a lot of standpoints, but the cashflow standpoint ain't one of them. They don't produce a *huge* flow, but they produce a *steady* one, which matters more. -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ::: Internet Music Wantlists: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo/Wantlists
1998-05-21 14:02mark s-walker>BOC = 500 7" 1000 actually
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quoted 1 line BOC = 500 7">BOC = 500 7"
1000 actually
1998-05-21 15:16robotRodney Perkins wrote: > A thousand records really > isn't what I would call "limited." At
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Rodney Perkins wrote:
quoted 3 lines A thousand records really> A thousand records really > isn't what I would call "limited." At that quantity, you'd think it would be > cheaper than it was!
It depends on how many people want it. If 10,000 people want it, 1000 is pretty limited. If only 500 people want it, there are plenty to go around... Simple market laws of supply and demand. -rbc3
1998-05-21 15:19robert.merlak@ri.tel.hr>Cylob = 250 3" CDS and 250 7" actually 500 3" CDS and 500 7" bye rob
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quoted 1 line Cylob = 250 3" CDS and 250 7">Cylob = 250 3" CDS and 250 7"
actually 500 3" CDS and 500 7" bye rob
1998-05-21 16:01Rodney PerkinsI think the model can sustain in some instances (Durturo, NER, Tursa and World Serpent) bu
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I think the model can sustain in some instances (Durturo, NER, Tursa and World Serpent) but I don't believe its a smart general practice. You need a great buzz (not necessarily good or interesting music) and some serious trainspotters to back you up. I bet a regular IDM listener wouldn't go near a "Hearts of Space" CD but if the same style was being sold by FAX (big buzz label who are IMHO releasing HOS-sound music), they might be inclined to drop $15 for it. Just one person's view... ----------
quoted 5 lines From: Lazlo Nibble <lazlo@swcp.com>>From: Lazlo Nibble <lazlo@swcp.com> >To: armchair music <idm@hyperreal.org> >Subject: Re: (idm) Limited Pressings... >Date: Thu, May 21, 1998, 7:59 PM >
quoted 22 lines On Thu, May 21, 1998 at 10:55:15AM +0000, Rodney Perkins wrote:>On Thu, May 21, 1998 at 10:55:15AM +0000, Rodney Perkins wrote: > >> Simple market laws also show that if the supply is smaller than the demand, >> you get MPEGs and CD-Rs distributed across the world and you get nothing. >> People are eventually going to realize that while selling small quantities >> at high prices increases cash flow, it ain't no way to sustain a business. > >On the contrary, you can sustain a business just fine by producing a large >number of very limited pressings. This is Fax's business model, and I don't >see them going away anytime soon. > >On the other hand, the history of the music business is littered with labels >that overpressed stuff they couldn't sell and went under as a result. > >You can argue against limited pressings from a lot of standpoints, but the >cashflow standpoint ain't one of them. They don't produce a *huge* flow, but >they produce a *steady* one, which matters more. > >-- >::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) >::: Internet Music Wantlists: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo/Wantlists >
1998-05-22 02:45.szalemandre.hasn't anyone considered that it takes money to press records? not everyone can just press
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hasn't anyone considered that it takes money to press records? not everyone can just press 10,000 copies of something. and even so, not everyone can do that more than once a year. i, as a person who runs a small label, would much rather put out 20 DIFFERENT releases of 500 copies each, than ONE SINGLE release of 10,000 copies. and i'm sure consumers would agree that more different releases per time-frame is better than fewer. (by the way, i am a supporter of out-of-print product 'piracy'. in my mind, it's not piracy anymore when the original 'owners' or people involved don't stand to gain profit from its sale.) so if you can't get that ultra-rare hard-to-find "_____" ep, oh well. you missed the boat. all you can do is ask someone for a tape of it or an mp3. but keep in mind that the best thing you can do is support the artist and the label to ensure that they can continue to offer new music. smaller labels usually rely on the previous release's profit to press their next release. (this has been beaten into the ground by now.) bye. -eric --- eric sherman szale@doubtful.com doubtful productions www.doubtful.com wkdu 91.7fm philadelphia transmitting ambient/idm thursdays midnight-6am