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1998-05-20 16:18(idm) Fw: life the universe and everything (fwd)
1998-05-20 17:14Jon Drukman Re: (idm) Fw: life the universe and everything (fwd)
└─ 1998-05-20 17:31Zenon M. Feszczak Re: (idm) Fw: life the universe and everything (fwd)
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1998-05-20 16:18"kiya \"i am a copier\" babzani" <denial@ix.netcom.com>this guy's a fuckin' dick, if lived any place in the area, i would just... no. -kiya i am
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this guy's a fuckin' dick, if lived any place in the area, i would just... no. -kiya i am a copier. we are not all copiers. ----------
quoted 67 lines From: Blag Jesus Sex Machine <blag@gawth.com>> From: Blag Jesus Sex Machine <blag@gawth.com> > To: denial@ix.netcom.com > Subject: life the universe and everything (fwd) > Date: Wednesday, May 20, 1998 4:24 AM > > this guy is a fuckin dick. > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 10:17:33 GMT > From: "g." <greg@warp-net.com> > To: Baby Diddy <david.hampson@virgin.net>, James <JSEO@us.oracle.com>, > Irene McC <substar@iafrica.com>, blag@gawth.com > Subject: life the universe and everything > > > all of you have mailed me about our objection and the subsequent > removal of Autechre MP3s from blag@gawth.com's website. as an autechre > fan i appreciate your dismay. wouldn't it be nice to have every > autechre track for free. "is that cool?" hey lets break into their > studio and nick all their unreleased stuff and put it up on the > internet "is _that_ cool?" hey let's force them at gunpoint to write > tracks especially for me, me, me. "is THAT cool?, is it, IS IT? is > that cool?" > > so to be frank there is no real scope for debate on this one, however > seeing as the nice polite 'sue me' web site gentleman was kind enough > to publicly post private emails onto public mailing lists... > > this guy was ripping off records owned by us and putting them up for > distribution - the fact he wasn't charging is irrelevant the fact that > these tracks were 'rare' is irrelevant. > > 'people' seem to think that everyone has a god given right to listen > to every piece of music ever written. > > when a band writes a track for a charity compilation and gives the > track free of charge so the charity can raise funds with it you can > see how they might be annoyed when someone starts freely distributing > that track. > > bands can release tracks however they see fit. it is _their_ art. > > autechre, boards of canada and aphex etc write more tracks than you or > i will _ever_ hear, don't lose sleep over it. > > bands make no commercial gain by limiting releases, quite the > opposite, they do it so some fans somewhere can have a special release > that gives them a warm glow. this fan may not have mask1 but they have > basscadet box set. swings and roundabouts dudz. the brave new > copyright free world be be a very uniformly grey place if everyone had > everything. [tangent alert] > > however to a large degree this is very very off topic. > > whilst this site may not have had whole commercial albums, others do. > *there cannot be one rule for one and one rule for others*. if you are > distributing copyright material you are infringing copyright. this > means the artist is not being paid. if the artist is not paid the > artist cannot survive making music. artist doesn't make music. > > please forward this to idm someone. this is my last word on the > matter, time constraints etc. > > > ::greg > ::www.warprecords.com >
1998-05-20 17:14Jon Drukman> > this guy was ripping off records owned by us and putting them up for > > distribution
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quoted 3 lines this guy was ripping off records owned by us and putting them up for> > this guy was ripping off records owned by us and putting them up for > > distribution - the fact he wasn't charging is irrelevant the fact that > > these tracks were 'rare' is irrelevant.
the fact that neither warp nor autechre owns the rights to many of them may, however, have been relevant.
quoted 2 lines 'people' seem to think that everyone has a god given right to listen> > 'people' seem to think that everyone has a god given right to listen > > to every piece of music ever written.
'people' are right. intellectual property copyrights suck. haven't we learned anything from negativland/plunderphonics?
quoted 4 lines when a band writes a track for a charity compilation and gives the> > when a band writes a track for a charity compilation and gives the > > track free of charge so the charity can raise funds with it you can > > see how they might be annoyed when someone starts freely distributing > > that track.
anyone who could willingly withhold money from a charity is a shit and will no doubt suffer their sins at some later point in life. if the charity comp is out of print tho, download the track and send some $ to the charity.
quoted 1 line bands can release tracks however they see fit. it is _their_ art.> > bands can release tracks however they see fit. it is _their_ art.
can't disagree with that.
quoted 2 lines autechre, boards of canada and aphex etc write more tracks than you or> > autechre, boards of canada and aphex etc write more tracks than you or > > i will _ever_ hear, don't lose sleep over it.
i'm not. it's the meat beat manifesto tracks that i lose sleep over.
quoted 6 lines bands make no commercial gain by limiting releases, quite the> > bands make no commercial gain by limiting releases, quite the > > opposite, they do it so some fans somewhere can have a special release > > that gives them a warm glow. this fan may not have mask1 but they have > > basscadet box set. swings and roundabouts dudz. the brave new > > copyright free world be be a very uniformly grey place if everyone had > > everything. [tangent alert]
i believe it would be exactly the opposite. people would stop obssessing about this or that rare release which is probably no more appealing that the widely available ones. people wouldn't have to spend $30 to get one record. they could buy six records for $5 and get exposed to a wider variety of music. sounds like a good deal to me.
quoted 1 line whilst this site may not have had whole commercial albums, others do.> > whilst this site may not have had whole commercial albums, others do.
so go after them.
quoted 1 line *there cannot be one rule for one and one rule for others*.> > *there cannot be one rule for one and one rule for others*.
why not? the police turn a blind eye to small amount of marijuana possession all the time.
quoted 4 lines if you are> > if you are > > distributing copyright material you are infringing copyright. this > > means the artist is not being paid. if the artist is not paid the > > artist cannot survive making music. artist doesn't make music.
it has yet to be proven to my satisfaction that rarity mp3s are going to put anyone out of work.
quoted 2 lines please forward this to idm someone. this is my last word on the> > please forward this to idm someone. this is my last word on the > > matter, time constraints etc.
thank god we won't have to listen to more specious reasonings from you then. as an artist i will put my money where my mouth is: i will make mp3s of my jungle CD available once the CD has been out for a month. there are already mid-quality previews of some tracks at http://sticky.bud.com/ if i had been thinking about this shit when i was doing the liner notes i would have put something like "please don't make mp3s, official ones are available from http://blahblahblah..." Jon Drukman jsd@gamespot.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Plan: Eat right, exercise regularly, die anyway.
1998-05-20 17:31Zenon M. FeszczakAt 10:14 AM -0700 5/20/98, Random wrote: > >as an artist i will put my money where my mout
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Re: (idm) Fw: life the universe and everything (fwd)
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At 10:14 AM -0700 5/20/98, Random wrote:
quoted 4 lines as an artist i will put my money where my mouth is: i will make mp3s of> >as an artist i will put my money where my mouth is: i will make mp3s of >my jungle CD available once the CD has been out for a month. there are >already mid-quality previews of some tracks at http://sticky.bud.com/
Ja, und es est jetzt schones groovy funk.
quoted 4 lines if i had been thinking about this shit when i was doing the liner notes>if i had been thinking about this shit when i was doing the liner notes >i would have put something like "please don't make mp3s, official ones >are available from http://blahblahblah..." >
Sounds like a fine and noble plan, assuming we live in a socialist society. I hope musicians will not be requiring any dental work. Or food, shelter, or clothing. Anyway, starving artist chic is not about to go away. Does require a bit of heroin to fully deck oneself out with fab gauntness, and that's no cheap substitute. Either that, or let's just say - keep the day jobs! (Anyone who thought they would actually make money in music is on the wrong mailing list. Spice Girls wanna-bes please exit stage left.) Philosophy has its own promising career prospects. Pizza-delivery person, noting my straining shelves of weighty worldly wisdom works, commented: "Philosophy? I have a degree in philosophy." I'd better take out stock in the olive pressing industry. Information wants to be free, disinformation even more so. Lost my thread there, but it's of no consequence. It was an odd time anyway. 3