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At 09:24 PM 5/15/98 -0700, canned gourd wrote:

quoted 4 lines regarding the cylob, does it contain all of industrial folk songs (2

> >regarding the cylob, does it contain all of industrial folk songs (2 >tracks total)? >

methinks there are four tracks on industrial folk songs. all are pretty boring and rather worthless. although the new global goon is ace. oh well. - wells oliver / s0ewoliv@titan.vcu.edu

quoted 4 lines regarding the cylob, does it contain all of industrial folk songs (2

> >regarding the cylob, does it contain all of industrial folk songs (2 >tracks total)? >

industrial folksongs contains five tracks, so no, it doesn't contain all of it jeremy

quoted 14 lines Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 01:39:46 -0400

>Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 01:39:46 -0400 >To: canned gourd <gravavarez@yahoo.com>, idm@hyperreal.org >From: wells <s0ewoliv@titan.vcu.edu> >Subject: Re: (idm) cylob: puocd > >At 09:24 PM 5/15/98 -0700, canned gourd wrote: >> >>regarding the cylob, does it contain all of industrial folk songs (2 >>tracks total)? >> > >methinks there are four tracks on industrial folk songs. > >all are pretty boring and rather worthless.

I beg to differ! 'Industrial Folk Songs' contains 6 tracks. ...and I believe it is a rather interesting record. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

At 12:51 AM 5/16/98 PDT, Scott Cullun wrote:

quoted 4 lines I beg to differ! 'Industrial Folk Songs' contains 6 tracks.

> >I beg to differ! 'Industrial Folk Songs' contains 6 tracks. >...and I believe it is a rather interesting record. >

Okay. Serious moment here. I'm really wondering about this, so please don't simply say "Shut up Wells." When I hear something like Industtrial Folk Songs, I hear 4/5/6 totally boring tracks. Simple, stupid stuff that sounds liike a drum machine through distortion or just static. I really don't see the merit in it. It's simple and easy, so much so that anyone could do it. So then I think that people who say they like it do so because it's Cylob. I mean.. if Joe Blow Techno Artist wrote that record, I have a strong feeling 98% of this list would hate it. However, since it comes from Rephlex and Cylob, everyone loves it. Does anyone see what I'm saying and maybe agree? np. global goon 'cradle of history' - wells oliver / s0ewoliv@titan.vcu.edu

quoted 5 lines regarding the cylob, does it contain all of industrial folk songs (2

>>regarding the cylob, does it contain all of industrial folk songs (2 >>tracks total)? >> >methinks there are four tracks on industrial folk songs. >all are pretty boring and rather worthless.

You even don't know how many tracks are on it. So this means that you've heard this release one or two times while eating or dressing up for school, meaning you basicly even didn't hear it, and you are saying that is pretty boring and worthles..... That's like I said that Radiohead 'OK Computer' suck and haven't even heard it...What are you trying to be an ignorant and narrow- minded fool ? Sorry, pal, there is no room for two of us here on IDM....find yourself another list. btw, Industrial Folksongs contains 6 tracks. bye rob

At 11:25 AM 5/16/98 +0200, robert.merlak@ri.tel.hr wrote:

quoted 13 lines You even don't know how many tracks are on it. So

> >You even don't know how many tracks are on it. So >this means that you've heard this release one or two >times while eating or dressing up for school, meaning >you basicly even didn't hear it, and you are saying >that is pretty boring and worthles..... That's like I said >that Radiohead 'OK Computer' suck and haven't even >heard it...What are you trying to be an ignorant and narrow- >minded fool ? Sorry, pal, there is no room for two of us here >on IDM....find yourself another list. > >btw, Industrial Folksongs contains 6 tracks. >

No.. I've heard it quite a bit. A good friend of mine owns the record (and hates it as well). I'm sorry I do not enjoy some distorted drum beat for four minutes. It's really boring. I'm not trying to piss anyone off, I'm just saying my opinion here. And I like a lot of Cylob, and would not be so quick to say something of his sucks, so don't call me ignorant (at least about Cylob). - wells oliver / s0ewoliv@titan.vcu.edu

At 02:03 PM 5/17/98 -0400, wells wrote:

quoted 6 lines I mean.. if Joe Blow Techno Artist wrote that record, I have a strong

>I mean.. if Joe Blow Techno Artist wrote that record, I have a strong >feeling 98% of this list would hate it. > >However, since it comes from Rephlex and Cylob, everyone loves it. > >Does anyone see what I'm saying and maybe agree?

Watch out! You're questioning one of the basic tenets of this list! Duck! Che

wells wrote:

quoted 2 lines I really don't see the merit in it. It's simple and easy, so much so that

> I really don't see the merit in it. It's simple and easy, so much so that > anyone could do it.

I always hate this argument when someone is trying to discredit art. It's a poor argument to say, "anyone could do it." If anyone could do it, why don't they? This was a criticism of Jackson Pollack when his art was discovered. People thought dripping paint on canvas wasn't art because it wasn't painted on with a brush. Sure anybody can do it, but DID THEY? And could imitators create such emotion with color as Pollack did? What Pollack created is today inarguably art. The point of something like Industrial Folk Songs is experimentation. In other words, has someone ever done it like that before? The noise scene is growing in popularity and the same argument could be said about that. How hard is it to thrash around on stuff or get electronic equipment to sound freaky? There's no rhythm, there are no patterns... it's just NOISE! Well some of it is quite fascinating and some of it isn't. This is all opinion, but to attempt to discredit it by saying anyone could do it misses the point all together! Hell, 90% of techno is written by musically untrained people who don't know the first thing about key, melody, or even timing signatures. My roommate doesn't believe I listen to music. He went to a music school and calls the electronic music I listen to, sound effects. He certainly wouldn't say that anybody could do it though. He knows you have to be a special kind of freak to accept this stuff we listen to as music.

quoted 1 line So then I think that people who say they like it do so because it's Cylob.

> So then I think that people who say they like it do so because it's Cylob.

I would agree that some people buy music because of the name or label, but what's wrong with that? If you find a brand of shoe that fits, you stick with it. I know I buy records without listening to them because the record stores in my area are horrible. I find out what friends of mine are listening to because I trust their tastes and judgment and then I mail order it. If I end up not liking it, I sell it and write it off as a simple difference of tastes. Nothing wrong with that. People have different tastes and that's good because that is what makes life so interesting. If we all liked the same shit, think about how boring life would be!

quoted 2 lines I mean.. if Joe Blow Techno Artist wrote that record, I have a strong

> I mean.. if Joe Blow Techno Artist wrote that record, I have a strong > feeling 98% of this list would hate it.

Cylob IS Joe Blow Techno Artist! What makes Cylob so special? Sure plenty of people like it, but for every person that likes it, I could find a thousand who would find it to be complete crap!

quoted 3 lines However, since it comes from Rephlex and Cylob, everyone loves it.

> However, since it comes from Rephlex and Cylob, everyone loves it. > > Does anyone see what I'm saying and maybe agree?

No. I like it. I don't think it's the best thing I've heard. It's not even in the upper half of my collection. It certainly is interesting and when I'm in the mood for distorted beats, it brings out some good sound scapes. It's not your typical IDM, but it's not meant to be either. It's experimentation and it's pretty raw. It's gritty, dirty, and grungy and not the least bit refined. Maybe it's simple, but how complicated could it get? To add much more to it would be an overload of the senses anyway. You're allowed not to like it. It's pretty self centered of you to tell people that they like it just because it's Cylob and on Rephlex. I don't like plenty of Richard James' material and HE'S on Rephlex AND Warp (two labels I have a lot of respect for). So go ahead and tell us you don't like it and why you don't like it, but you're a fool for even trying to tell us why we like it! -rbc3

At 02:04 PM 5/16/98 -0700, robot wrote:

quoted 12 lines I would agree that some people buy music because of the name or label,

> >I would agree that some people buy music because of the name or label, >but what's wrong with that? If you find a brand of shoe that fits, >you stick with it. I know I buy records without listening to them >because the record stores in my area are horrible. I find out what >friends of mine are listening to because I trust their tastes and >judgment and then I mail order it. If I end up not liking it, I sell >it and write it off as a simple difference of tastes. Nothing wrong >with that. People have different tastes and that's good because that >is what makes life so interesting. If we all liked the same shit, >think about how boring life would be! >

Well, I wasn't talking about _buying_ things due to a label/artist. I do that all the time as well. I'm talking about people who a release is brilliant just because of who did it. I.E. Any RDJ release (not that it's all bad, but people can't really get past the name). I thought this particularly applied to Cylob's Industrial Folk Songs, which is one of the most boring records I've ever heard.

quoted 6 lines I mean.. if Joe Blow Techno Artist wrote that record, I have a strong

>> I mean.. if Joe Blow Techno Artist wrote that record, I have a strong >> feeling 98% of this list would hate it. > >Cylob IS Joe Blow Techno Artist! What makes Cylob so special? Sure >plenty of people like it, but for every person that likes it, I could >find a thousand who would find it to be complete crap!

No, I don't think Cylob is Joe Blow. He's got a name and is part of Rephlex, therefore I'd place him pretty high up in the social ranks of IDM/whatever.

quoted 4 lines So go ahead and tell us you don't like it and why you don't like it,

> >So go ahead and tell us you don't like it and why you don't like it, >but you're a fool for even trying to tell us why we like it! >

Well, I wasn't trying to tell people why they liked it. That was my whole point in posting, to find out just what people do find in that record.. - wells oliver / s0ewoliv@titan.vcu.edu