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1998-04-22 17:05Sean McGonagle (idm) +-haujobb-+
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1998-04-22 17:05Sean McGonagleI support all the great comments about haujobb on this list. I think they're fantastic ...
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I support all the great comments about haujobb on this list. I think they're fantastic ... I first heard about them when the US domestic release of Homes & Gardens was released ... i think there was an ad on the back of an Isolation Tank catalog .. In any event, i still love that album (their first) .. it is more "industrial" and some have said they're picking up where skinny puppy left off -- i don't quite get the reference except maybe for the intricate placement of samples ... but the vocals are much different (although still in a stream-of-consciousness fashion). Their consequent releases are great (although i don't have _matrix_). They're much more idm-ish and beat-driven in the dance music/techno sense. But there's just something amazing about Homes & Garden that i can't put my finger on. Maybe it's because the album is a breath of fresh air amidst a torrent of industrial/aggrocore releases that pride themselves in beginning with a silly sample and then barraging the listener with sampled and sequenced guitars that continue ad infinitum. Quite honestly, i get bored quickly with that. So check out Homes & Garden if you'd like to get a bit darker with some excellent vocals and samples .... an excellent release in my opinion ... take care .. and happy shopping ... sean. onnow -- Coldcut "Let Us Play"
1998-04-22 19:18Mr. TangentAt 13:05 4/22/98 -0400, Sean McGonagle <smcgonag@abacus.bates.edu> wrote: <snip various co
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At 13:05 4/22/98 -0400, Sean McGonagle <smcgonag@abacus.bates.edu> wrote: <snip various concerning haujobb> The following is a post I made to rec.music.ambient and rec.music.industrial some months ago and since there has been recent talk of haujobb on this list, I thought I'd repost it if anyone is interested. Also, bear in mind that my usage of the term "electro" is not the original techno-ish definition, but rather the Front 242-Leæther Strip-Nitzer Ebb EBM definition of the word. The list of haujobb's material is from past to present, chronologically: 'Eye over you' cd single (High quality electro in the less techno-ambient vein. It is more in the Skinny Puppy/Front Line Assembly electro-industrial vein. Still top quality.) <Side Note, this single, with all songs, is now found on the 'Frames' e.p. domestically available on Pendragon records.> 'Homes and Gardens' album (Very good electro that is in the same vein as the 'Eye over you' cd single. In fact, said track originates from this album. Great electro that is better than 90% of the electro out there.) <Side note, buy the domestic album out on Pendragon records, as it has bonus tracks not found on the import.> 'Freeze Frame Reality' album (Amazing electro meets techno-ambience album. This is, in my opinion, the best haujobb album. It has some truly spectacular electro, all the while having ambience and more of a textured feel. This is where their 'techno-ish' material, indicative on 'Solutions F.A.S.P.' originated. It melds the harsh, cold electro from the first album with the texture of the latest work in a beautifully masterful symphony of keyboards, samplers and soundscapes.) <Side note, again, the domestic release of this album, on Pendragon records has a bonus track.> 'Frames' e.p. (Amazing e.p. that features several tracks from 'Freeze Frame Reality' in remixed form. cEvin kEy offers an amazingly harsh remix on this e.p. It is another stunning release from the, apparently, infinitely talented haujobb crew.) <Side note, the domestic version on Pendragon records offers the entire 'Eye over you' cd single on the same cd as 'Frames'.> ':wumpscut: vs. haujobb-The Remix Wars' cd single (This is an interesting concept in remixes. Two artists duel each other, sonic-wise, with their samplers, synthesizers, computers and other such implements. Without choosing the victor, I must say that I enjoy all remixes in question. It features 3 :w: songs totally re-engineered and remixed by haujobb. Opposite, it includes 3 haujobb songs totally raped by Rudy Ratzinger of :wumpscut:. This is a good way to become aware of both artists at a lower price than buying both separately. It's been re-issued here domestically, I believe, but I don't know for certain. I have the import version.) 'Cleaned Visions' cd single (Overall, my least favorite single by haujobb. It is still very good and, as a sad testament to the current state of industrial, is much better than a lot of other electro artist's best effort. Which says a lot for haujobb. It has some nice remixes but left me least satisfied of all their collective releases. Still, it's something to own, for sure.) 'Solutions for a Small Planet' album (This album is nothing short of stunning. While unlike the previous haujobb, it still maintains a definite 'haujobb' feel to it. It's a perfect symbiosis of analog tweaking, electro-elegance and sonic innovation. It is also probably the most 'abstract' of the albums, thus far. It is simply unlike any other artist doing electro today, barring the infinitely cool Lassigue Bendthaus; whom many credit as a major haujobb influence.) 'Matrix' cd single (Very, very good single. It is more and more unlike their previous 'industrial' albums, but (like 'Solutions F.A.S.P.') still has that electro feel to it. This single reminds me heavily of the 'Cloned' album by Lassigue Bendthaus. Both are mind-blowing and breathtaking. This release has a lot of 'techno' elements to it and is experimental (hard to describe, it's not Merzbow for sure, but it is experimental by virtue of what it's doing with the synthesizers and samplers). Imagine elements of Download meets Autechre meets Lassigue Bendthaus meets Front 242. This is probably a bad indication of it's sound, but I'm at a loss to explain the extremely diverse sound on it. Another nice element of this release is that it comes with a second cd featuring a full 73:18 minutes worth of samples. It features most (if not all) of their samples utilized on the 'Matrix' cd single, which you can sample at will and use for your own electro means. This idea was also kind of 'borrowed' from Lassigue Bendthaus, who apparently released 'Cloned: Binary' that featured all the samples from 'Cloned'. It's come full circle, in a way. Borrowing from an idea about borrowing. Interesting analogy, but that's a tangent.) <all albums/singles not listed as having side notes are domestically available via Metropolis Records, haujobb's new domestic distributor, and do *not* feature bonus tracks. Unlike the Pendragon releases which all feature bonus tracks.> In short, haujobb are one of the major forces shaping the future of electro-industrial, as we know it. Undoubtedly, they are truly amazing. Highly recommended! Several other projects in the similar vein to seek out are: Forma Tadre-'Navigator' album (label mate who has worked with haujobb on several occasions, often times sounding quite similar to haujobb with a slightly more symphonic feel) Newt - '-273C' album (side project of haujobb and Forma Tadre that would appeal greatly to many IDMers. Imagine elements of Black Lung merging with 'Matrix' era haujobb, minus vocals for a very sleek, minimal, textured, techno-ambient excursion. Essential) Lassigue Bendthaus-'Render' album (this album is absolutely perfect in every way. This is where haujobb learned the tricks of the trade from. 'Render' ranges from extremely well crafted technology induced electro-industrial to deep, trance inducing ambiance. No distorted vocals for you people afraid of industrial's predominant use of distortion. Uwe Schmidt <also known as +N, Atom Heart, Datacide> is one of the most creative and innovative artists making music today) Lassigue Bendthaus-'Cloned' album (Another simply amazing and influential album by Uwe 'Atom Heart' Schmidt. This is more in the vein of Front 242-ish electro-industrial but still a million miles ahead of the pack. Also one the most interesting concept albums around - centering on the idea that digital and dna copying makes one an identical copy, or clone of the original. And this was made in '92, years before the fairly recent cloning debate. Realize that being copied means being alike... cloned. Same information better through duplication) Oh, and soon, if you like haujobb, you'll own every Lassigue Bendthaus album/single (if you can find them all) like I do. Just wanted you to know that... it's inevitable. So I'll abstain from mentioning the other L.Bendthaus albums. Uwe's other projects are usually very odd, and are more experimental/ambient/eclectic than the L.Bendthaus material. Listen first. Cleen-'Designed Memories' e.p. (This is one of the more recent releases by the haujobb crew... or rather, one member of haujobb - Daniel Myer. This is great 'Freeze Frame Reality' type electro-industrial that is quite recommended, if you're a fan of haujobb) There are also two d'n'b vinyl only releases that Daniel Myer of haujobb has released - Dots and Dashes and Myer Style, but I have yet to find them so I can't comment. Lastly, there is a new haujobb album and single (possibly two) coming out soon on Metropolis Records (scheduled for Aug./Sept.) and the eagerly awaited new Lassigue Bendthaus album comes out around the same time, label unknown (KK ?). Since this is a re-post now to IDM, I would recommend any potential *ambient* fans stay away from the early works ('Homes and Gardens', 'Eye over you'). If you should try haujobb, pick up the later works ('Matrix', 'Solutions for a Small Planet') and work backwards. The earlier stuff is very *electro-industrial*. The later stuff gets more abstract, and leans towards breakbeat, electronic innovation. There you go! Hope this helps. -- Mr. Tangent "insert random quoted text here, for your reading pleasure"
1998-04-23 02:24laermOn Wed, 22 Apr 1998, Mr. Tangent wrote: > The following is a post I made to rec.music.ambi
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quoted 6 lines The following is a post I made to rec.music.ambient and> The following is a post I made to rec.music.ambient and > rec.music.industrial some months ago and since there has been recent talk > of haujobb on this list, I thought I'd repost it if anyone is interested. > Also, bear in mind that my usage of the term "electro" is not the original > techno-ish definition, but rather the Front 242-Le?ther Strip-Nitzer Ebb > EBM definition of the word.
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quoted 12 lines 'Matrix' cd single (Very, very good single. It is more and more> 'Matrix' cd single (Very, very good single. It is more and more > unlike their previous 'industrial' albums, but (like > 'Solutions F.A.S.P.') still has that electro feel to it. This > single reminds me heavily of the 'Cloned' album by Lassigue > Bendthaus. Both are mind-blowing and breathtaking. This > release has a lot of 'techno' elements to it and is > experimental (hard to describe, it's not Merzbow for sure, but > it is experimental by virtue of what it's doing with the > synthesizers and samplers). Imagine elements of Download > meets Autechre meets Lassigue Bendthaus meets Front 242. This > is probably a bad indication of it's sound, but I'm at a loss > to explain the extremely diverse sound on it.
eenh, i'm bored, so i'll review this for idm-r.
quoted 6 lines Another nice> Another nice > element of this release is that it comes with a second cd > featuring a full 73:18 minutes worth of samples. It features > most (if not all) of their samples utilized on the 'Matrix' cd > single, which you can sample at will and use for your own > electro means.
hm. and if anybody figures out the proper track listing for this cd, let me know.
quoted 5 lines This idea was also kind of 'borrowed' from> This idea was also kind of 'borrowed' from > Lassigue Bendthaus, who apparently released 'Cloned: Binary' > that featured all the samples from 'Cloned'. It's come full > circle, in a way. Borrowing from an idea about borrowing. > Interesting analogy, but that's a tangent.)
hm. and if anybody knows where i could get this, let me know.
quoted 3 lines Forma Tadre-'Navigator' album (label mate who has worked with haujobb on> Forma Tadre-'Navigator' album (label mate who has worked with haujobb on > several occasions, often times sounding quite similar to haujobb with a > slightly more symphonic feel)
yes--the instrumentals of this album are very well-composed. symphonic, defintiely. although i feel that a few of the vocal tracks could use some help (but looking-glass men is killer on the dancefloor).
quoted 4 lines Newt - '-273C' album (side project of haujobb and Forma Tadre that would> Newt - '-273C' album (side project of haujobb and Forma Tadre that would > appeal greatly to many IDMers. Imagine elements of Black Lung merging with > 'Matrix' era haujobb, minus vocals for a very sleek, minimal, textured, > techno-ambient excursion. Essential)
i think this is far more intelligent than black lung. speaking of, perhaps i'll review that dark techno comp for this list, too.
quoted 7 lines Lassigue Bendthaus-'Render' album (this album is absolutely perfect in> Lassigue Bendthaus-'Render' album (this album is absolutely perfect in > every way. This is where haujobb learned the tricks of the trade from. > 'Render' ranges from extremely well crafted technology induced > electro-industrial to deep, trance inducing ambiance. No distorted vocals > for you people afraid of industrial's predominant use of distortion. Uwe > Schmidt <also known as +N, Atom Heart, Datacide> is one of the most > creative and innovative artists making music today)
i remember the first time i heard _render_. i thought it was the new lassigue album (i suppose, technically, it was), released in early '97 (at least that's what i was told). imagine my surprise when i found out it had been recorded 3 years previous. i don't remember anything sounding that good in '94, much less '95. :)
quoted 3 lines There are also two d'n'b vinyl only releases that Daniel Myer of haujobb> There are also two d'n'b vinyl only releases that Daniel Myer of haujobb > has released - Dots and Dashes and Myer Style, but I have yet to find them > so I can't comment.
i'm looking. i'll letcha know if i find 'em. :) * #### a disturbance in a system. #### laerm. @voicenet.com #### one time and you're a philosopher; two times and you're a pervert.