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2015-03-03 04:07kent williamsIf you use Ableton Live you know that when you load a track (or any sample basically) you

From:: kent williams <chaircrusher@gmail.com>
To:: do id <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Tue, 03 Mar 2015 04:07:45 +0000
Subject:: Ableton Live Project for AFX Soundcloud files

If you use Ableton Live you know that when you load a track (or any sample basically) you can 'warp' the track, meaning you detect the proper track, mark where it starts, and as necessary, add 'warp' markers to keep the tracks in time. I've done this for the 174 files currently in Chris Tranter's AFX google doc tree. I've uploaded a Live project with JUST the ASD files (they tell Live what the tempo is, where the warp markers are, etc etc). http://www.cornwarning.com/xfer/AphexUnreleasedLiveProject.zip Chris, feel free to add this to that AFX Google drive folder. Observations after warping 174 files: 1. Tempos are almost all very consistent, making me think that he used accurate clock sources & DAT recordings from very early on. There are a very few with the telltale 'cassette stretch' tempo drift. 2. There are several with 'Sequencer Stop' pauses where he stops the master clock device, allows the effects to decay, and then restarts the sequence off beat. This blows Ableton Live's mind. I've fixed these as best I can, basically pinning a warp marker on the last beat and then dragging the point where the sequencer restarts to the next measure start. 3. Only a few had 'intergral' BPMs, i.e. 130, 140, etc. Meaning that the tempo clock was only accidentally set to an intergral tempo. Or the sequencer device and Ableton Live don't agree about intergral tempos. 4. A couple of them were unwarpable, and I gave up on those. 5. This set of songs was a torture test for Ableton Live's automatic warping, and I wasn't impressed, even by the new 9.2 beta version which supposedly improved automatic warping. It rarely found the downbeat properly, was confused by beatless intros etc. Even though the tracks have a very steady tempo. This was an interesting project to undertake, and it allowed me to 'needle' drop in every track. There's a lot of impressive tracks in this collection. I also warmed up to the harsher industrial tracks. Some of those are killer.

2015-03-03 06:18Zombieflythanks for that kent! i've added it to the Gdrive and will check it out as i'm a big ablet

From:: Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com>
To:: kent williams <chaircrusher@gmail.com>
Cc:: do id <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Tue, 3 Mar 2015 06:18:24 +0000
Subject:: Re: Ableton Live Project for AFX Soundcloud files
Reply to:: Ableton Live Project for AFX Soundcloud files

thanks for that kent! i've added it to the Gdrive and will check it out as i'm a big ableton user :) On 3 March 2015 at 04:07, kent williams <chaircrusher@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 44 lines If you use Ableton Live you know that when you load a track (or any sample

> If you use Ableton Live you know that when you load a track (or any sample > basically) you can 'warp' the track, meaning you detect the proper track, > mark where it starts, and as necessary, add 'warp' markers to keep the > tracks in time. > > I've done this for the 174 files currently in Chris Tranter's AFX google > doc tree. > > I've uploaded a Live project with JUST the ASD files (they tell Live what > the tempo is, where the warp markers are, etc etc). > http://www.cornwarning.com/xfer/AphexUnreleasedLiveProject.zip > > Chris, feel free to add this to that AFX Google drive folder. > > Observations after warping 174 files: > > 1. Tempos are almost all very consistent, making me think that he used > accurate clock sources & DAT recordings from very early on. There are a > very few with the telltale 'cassette stretch' tempo drift. > > 2. There are several with 'Sequencer Stop' pauses where he stops the > master clock device, allows the effects to decay, and then restarts the > sequence off beat. This blows Ableton Live's mind. I've fixed these as > best I can, basically pinning a warp marker on the last beat and then > dragging the point where the sequencer restarts to the next measure start. > > 3. Only a few had 'intergral' BPMs, i.e. 130, 140, etc. Meaning that the > tempo clock was only accidentally set to an intergral tempo. Or the > sequencer device and Ableton Live don't agree about intergral tempos. > > 4. A couple of them were unwarpable, and I gave up on those. > > 5. This set of songs was a torture test for Ableton Live's automatic > warping, and I wasn't impressed, even by the new 9.2 beta version which > supposedly improved automatic warping. It rarely found the downbeat > properly, was confused by beatless intros etc. Even though the tracks have > a very steady tempo. > > This was an interesting project to undertake, and it allowed me to > 'needle' drop in every track. There's a lot of impressive tracks in this > collection. I also warmed up to the harsher industrial tracks. Some of > those are killer. > >

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2015-03-03 13:52kent williamsLet me know how it works out. I tested the procedure I documented for using the ASD warp f

From:: kent williams <chaircrusher@gmail.com>
To:: Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com>
Cc:: do id <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Tue, 03 Mar 2015 13:52:57 +0000
Subject:: Re: Ableton Live Project for AFX Soundcloud files

Let me know how it works out. I tested the procedure I documented for using the ASD warp files, but I don't know if it's clear enough. On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 12:18 AM Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 65 lines thanks for that kent!

> thanks for that kent! > i've added it to the Gdrive and will check it out as i'm a big ableton > user :) > On 3 March 2015 at 04:07, kent williams <chaircrusher@gmail.com> wrote: > >> If you use Ableton Live you know that when you load a track (or any >> sample basically) you can 'warp' the track, meaning you detect the proper >> track, mark where it starts, and as necessary, add 'warp' markers to keep >> the tracks in time. >> >> I've done this for the 174 files currently in Chris Tranter's AFX google >> doc tree. >> >> I've uploaded a Live project with JUST the ASD files (they tell Live what >> the tempo is, where the warp markers are, etc etc). >> http://www.cornwarning.com/xfer/AphexUnreleasedLiveProject.zip >> >> Chris, feel free to add this to that AFX Google drive folder. >> >> Observations after warping 174 files: >> >> 1. Tempos are almost all very consistent, making me think that he used >> accurate clock sources & DAT recordings from very early on. There are a >> very few with the telltale 'cassette stretch' tempo drift. >> >> 2. There are several with 'Sequencer Stop' pauses where he stops the >> master clock device, allows the effects to decay, and then restarts the >> sequence off beat. This blows Ableton Live's mind. I've fixed these as >> best I can, basically pinning a warp marker on the last beat and then >> dragging the point where the sequencer restarts to the next measure start. >> >> 3. Only a few had 'intergral' BPMs, i.e. 130, 140, etc. Meaning that the >> tempo clock was only accidentally set to an intergral tempo. Or the >> sequencer device and Ableton Live don't agree about intergral tempos. >> >> 4. A couple of them were unwarpable, and I gave up on those. >> >> 5. This set of songs was a torture test for Ableton Live's automatic >> warping, and I wasn't impressed, even by the new 9.2 beta version which >> supposedly improved automatic warping. It rarely found the downbeat >> properly, was confused by beatless intros etc. Even though the tracks have >> a very steady tempo. >> >> This was an interesting project to undertake, and it allowed me to >> 'needle' drop in every track. There's a lot of impressive tracks in this >> collection. I also warmed up to the harsher industrial tracks. Some of >> those are killer. >> >> > -- > _____________________________________________ > Sent from my Sinclair ZX Spectrum 48K > _____________________________________________ > noise I make: > http://www.soundcloud.com/pushkin > http://www.last.fm/music/Pushkin > > noise I like: > http://www.last.fm/user/zombiefly > > sites I run: > http://www.ctran.co.uk > http://o-fu-online.net > ------------------------------- >

Ableton Live Project for AFX Soundcloud files