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quoted 1 line IDM muso geeks don't like house music

>IDM muso geeks don't like house music

really? :-) i happen to be quite enjoying a tape of 'these norwegians' 'dj disciple' and other unidentified dodgy house geezers as i type. maybe i'll just have to slip on 'the house sound of chicago' for the 950th time and listen to some truly intelligent dance music before i go to bed <waves> np - judy albanese - love's here at last (dj disciple deja vu dub)

In message <01bd3676$43c27460$60f5989e@sub-con-geo>, siliconvortex <artist@sub-con-geo.demon.co.uk> writes

quoted 7 lines IDM muso geeks don't like house music

>>IDM muso geeks don't like house music > >really? :-) i happen to be quite enjoying a tape of 'these norwegians' 'dj >disciple' and other unidentified dodgy house geezers as i type. maybe i'll >just have to slip on 'the house sound of chicago' for the 950th time and >listen to some truly intelligent dance music before i go to bed >

What I hate about house (well, the house sound of nowadays anyway) is that it's so bloody predictable. Grrr.....you can predict when the beats gonna stop...there's gonna be some people who want to raise their hands in the air while some strings play, there's going to be a snarerush, the beat is going to kick back in.....and this happens with almost every... single....darn...tune. And people enjoy this? -- Ben Coffer Hybrid Productions http://www.hybridgame.demon.co.uk/

At 10:57 PM 2/13/98 -0000, siliconvortex wrote:

quoted 10 lines What I hate about house (well, the house sound of nowadays anyway) is

>>What I hate about house (well, the house sound of nowadays anyway) is >>that it's so bloody predictable. Grrr.....you can predict when the beats >>gonna stop...there's gonna be some > >substitute 'idm' for 'house' and you'd be no more innacurate > ><waves> > >np - aha - take on me the techno remix >

so why are you on this list? --- : wells oliver / s0ewoliv@titan.vcu : http://mute.simplenet.com

Message text written by Ben Coffer

quoted 6 lines What I hate about house (well, the house sound of nowadays anyway) is

>What I hate about house (well, the house sound of nowadays anyway) is >that it's so bloody predictable. Grrr.....you can predict when the beats >gonna stop...there's gonna be some people who want to raise their hands >in the air while some strings play, there's going to be a snarerush, the >beat is going to kick back in.....and this happens with almost every... >single....darn...tune. And people enjoy this?

I see where you're coming from, but this is just how the music is. Yeah it's predictable, formulaic and all of that, but it still can be damn enjoyable to listen to. It's like a formula that's been tried and tested to sound decent in a club and if it aint broke, why fix it? A lot of house music is not about innovation. People like being able to know when they are going to get a big rush out of the music. -Ed

quoted 1 line substitute 'idm' for 'house' and you'd be no more innacurate

>>substitute 'idm' for 'house' and you'd be no more innacurate

quoted 1 line so why are you on this list?

>so why are you on this list?

i think it could be something to do with liking the music. how about you, why are /you/ on this list? apart from the obvious reason - to annoy people. can someone on the list answer these questions... at what level of complexity does a piece of music stop being predictable, and suddenly become *un*predictable? how long can you listen to a certain kind of music before it becomes predictable? do you think that DELIBERATELY predictable music is an invalid artform i.e boring? how many different reasons do we listen to music for? how many different WAYS can we listen to music? happy valentine's day. <waves>

At 10:50 AM 2/14/98 -0000, siliconvortex wrote:

quoted 10 lines substitute 'idm' for 'house' and you'd be no more innacurate

> >>>substitute 'idm' for 'house' and you'd be no more innacurate > >>so why are you on this list? > > >i think it could be something to do with liking the music. how about you, >why are /you/ on this list? apart from the obvious reason - to annoy >people. >

uh, well. he said idm was boring, repetitive, blah blah. apparently, he _doesn't_ like the music so it seems somewhat worthless to be on this list. --- : wells oliver / s0ewoliv@titan.vcu : http://mute.simplenet.com

In message <3.0.3.32.19980214135021.00831ab0@titan.vcu.edu>, wells <s0ewoliv@titan.vcu.edu> writes

quoted 15 lines At 10:50 AM 2/14/98 -0000, siliconvortex wrote:

>At 10:50 AM 2/14/98 -0000, siliconvortex wrote: >> >>>>substitute 'idm' for 'house' and you'd be no more innacurate >> >>>so why are you on this list? >> >> >>i think it could be something to do with liking the music. how about you, >>why are /you/ on this list? apart from the obvious reason - to annoy >>people. >> > >uh, well. he said idm was boring, repetitive, blah blah. apparently, he >_doesn't_ like the music so it seems somewhat worthless to be on this list. >

Actually, I said House was boring repetetive...etc...not idm. house isn't really idm is it? (i hope not). -- Ben Coffer Hybrid Productions http://www.hybridgame.demon.co.uk/

At 08:21 PM 2/14/98 +0000, Ben Coffer wrote:

quoted 10 lines Actually, I said House was boring repetetive...etc...not idm.

> >Actually, I said House was boring repetetive...etc...not idm. >house isn't really idm is it? (i hope not). > > >-- >Ben Coffer >Hybrid Productions >http://www.hybridgame.demon.co.uk/ >

No, someone said something like "house is boring, repetetive.. blah blah" (I think it was you) and then he said "substitute 'idm' with 'house' and the sentiment is still the same." (or something to that effect). sort of silly to be bashing something on its very mailing list. nevahmind. --- : wells oliver / s0ewoliv@titan.vcu : http://mute.simplenet.com

quoted 6 lines substitute 'idm' for 'house' and you'd be no more innacurate

> >>substitute 'idm' for 'house' and you'd be no more innacurate > > >so why are you on this list? > > > i think it could be something to do with liking the music. how about

you,

quoted 2 lines why are /you/ on this list? apart from the obvious reason - to annoy

> why are /you/ on this list? apart from the obvious reason - to annoy > people.

play nicely or not at all ;-)

quoted 2 lines can someone on the list answer these questions... at what level of

> can someone on the list answer these questions... at what level of > complexity does a piece of music stop being predictable, and suddenly

become

quoted 1 line *un*predictable?

> *un*predictable?

Suppose it depends on how much of the genre you've heard before. Every genre has it's cliches, but playing around with the cliches is well respected in a genre like blues, so why not house music? It has to be said that house music is big business these days, and a lot is churned out to satisfy lowest common denominator demand. I'm sure a lot of people who dig modern day house know it's not the most cutting edge genre, but listen/dance anyway cos it's just another form of entertainment. Sort of like how many people read The Sun (fairly predictable, crappy english tabloid 'news'paper.) Or watching Neighbours (crappy Aussie soap). (Some) People know it's crap, but they enjoy it. Good luck to them. Just imagine if everyone liked IDM eh? Scary food for thought. You'd have to listen to something else ;-)

quoted 2 lines how long can you listen to a certain kind of music before

>how long can you listen to a certain kind of music before > it becomes predictable?

?do you think that DELIBERATELY predictable music

quoted 1 line is an invalid artform i.e boring?

> is an invalid artform i.e boring?

I like stuff like Robert Hood which is initially predictable, almost hypnotic, then throws you with something (usually subtle).

quoted 2 lines how many different reasons do we listen

>how many different reasons do we listen > to music for?

um.. let's see. to be entertained, to be mentally stimulated, to dance to, to get pissed to, to go to sleep to, to drive to, to yodel along to (i'm just coming to terms with how to hum along with drill n' bass) Giles "I mean, I like all kinds of music, from Sting to Chris Rea and everything in between... except the Prodigy; that's just noise" Alan Partridge at the Brits

Ben Coffer wrote:

quoted 6 lines What I hate about house (well, the house sound of nowadays anyway) is

> What I hate about house (well, the house sound of nowadays anyway) is > that it's so bloody predictable. Grrr.....you can predict when the beats > gonna stop...there's gonna be some people who want to raise their hands > in the air while some strings play, there's going to be a snarerush, the > beat is going to kick back in.....and this happens with almost every... > single....darn...tune. And people enjoy this?

Hmm....you'd probably enjoy some of the DJs here as they seem to not really care WHAT beat measure they're on. Makes for unpredictable listening at the least...ouch! Matt

quoted 1 line substitute 'idm' for 'house' and you'd be no more inaccurate

>>substitute 'idm' for 'house' and you'd be no more inaccurate

quoted 1 line so why are you on this list?

>>>so why are you on this list?

quoted 1 line i think it could be something to do with liking the music

>>i think it could be something to do with liking the music

quoted 2 lines uh, well. he said idm was boring, repetitive, blah blah. apparently, he

>uh, well. he said idm was boring, repetitive, blah blah. apparently, he >doesn't_ like the music so it seems somewhat worthless to be on this list.

no, no. read again. "substitute 'idm' for 'house' and you'd be no more inaccurate" still don't understand? i said *in*accurate. as in "this guy is talking so much crap my bullshit meter has broken." <waves> np - electro 7 loud

At 02:57 AM 2/15/98 -0000, siliconvortex wrote:

quoted 7 lines no, no. read again. "substitute 'idm' for 'house' and you'd

> >no, no. read again. "substitute 'idm' for 'house' and you'd be no more >inaccurate" > >still don't understand? i said *in*accurate. as in "this guy is talking so >much crap my bullshit meter has broken." >

my fault. i misread it. np. faith no more 'angel dust' (aww yeah) --- : wells oliver / s0ewoliv@titan.vcu : http://mute.simplenet.com

quoted 2 lines Actually, I said House was boring repetetive...etc...not idm.

>Actually, I said House was boring repetetive...etc...not idm. >house isn't really idm is it? (i hope not).

yes, of course it is. i apologise to the list if it seems that i'm trying to be an anarchist and talk about off-topic music here. after all, it would be hell if people were to talk about music that is beyond their current small-minded tastes, past the confines of these 10 or so labels and their imitators that the heads here glorify. after all, we KNOW that house music has never ventured into the territory of idm, and vice versa. we KNOW that, don't we? and imagine if people actually talked about different music here for a change, about discovering music, instead of the oh-so-worthwhile clique-ridden sniping and backbiting that this list has become an open sewer for, perpetuated by people who have no idea what goes on in the real world. no, we must keep our idm race strong and pure, free from that dirty and common house music. we must never talk about the early days of rephlex, when they were, to slightly mis-quote, 'a new force at work in house music'. or even mention the disgraceful name of global communication, who have obviously lost their minds since their glorious days as the vanguards of u.k intelligent techno. we must sweep all this under the carpet, along with recent 'mistakes', like boards of canada remixing 'trapped' by colonel abrahms. these days, who wants to hear a boring 4-4 beat going boom-tish-boom-tish with a tacky female vocal wailing over the top? not me, that's for sure. but anyway. where does this enormous prejudice against house records come from? do you actually listen to a great deal of it? where is your source for house music? the radio? the local sharon and tracy clubs that you cross the street to avoid? do you think this gives you a great deal of insight into the house music scene? i hope the meaningless little comment above is just a phase you're going through. because when you think you KNOW IT ALL, you are fucked for SURE. <waves> np - anything by carl craig, or anything on future sound records, or anything by herbert, or anything by larry heard, or anything on a multitude of house labels you've never heard of, or anything else that will fucking piss you off. happy valentine's day!

In message <01bd39bd$b701e9c0$60f5989e@sub-con-geo>, siliconvortex <artist@sub-con-geo.demon.co.uk> writes

quoted 2 lines yes, of course it is. i apologise to the list if it seems that i'm trying

>yes, of course it is. i apologise to the list if it seems that i'm trying >to be an anarchist and talk about off-topic music here. after all, it would

<snip>

quoted 2 lines no, we must keep our idm race strong and pure, free from that dirty and

>no, we must keep our idm race strong and pure, free from that dirty and >common house music. we must never talk about the early days of rephlex,

<snip>

quoted 3 lines but anyway. where does this enormous prejudice against house records come

>but anyway. where does this enormous prejudice against house records come >from? do you actually listen to a great deal of it? where is your source >for house music? the radio? the local sharon and tracy clubs that you

<snip again> Wow! You've deduced a lot from one simple sentence of mine. Could it be that there's something much less sinister than you're suggesting going on here, and that i simply don't like a style of music that perhaps others might like. I was just describing what i personally hear when i hear House. The other point is that you've forgotten my original message which specifically stated that i was talking about the house sound of now, i grew up with House music in the 80s, so yes, i do know about the multitude of labels you were referring to in your reply (funnily enough, I love the old track "Can you Feel it" by fingers inc, aka Larry Heard)...At one point (93-95) i was hearing nothing but House, and unfortanately got a little sick of it.....so maybe that's spoilt my view a little bit. But anyway, I'm not on some crusade or something, but i'll remember next time that my opinions must never differ from yours, Stuart :) -- Ben Coffer Hybrid Productions http://www.hybridgame.demon.co.uk/

quoted 2 lines how many different reasons do we listen

>>how many different reasons do we listen >> to music for?

quoted 2 lines um.. let's see. to be entertained, to be mentally stimulated, to dance to,

>um.. let's see. to be entertained, to be mentally stimulated, to dance to, >to get pissed to, to go to sleep to, to drive to, to yodel along to

there are plenty more too.. to get depressed to, to make love to, to die to, to feel sonic waves in your body, to laugh at, to inspire, to cement social bonds, to work to, to update neurotic programming to new revisions, etc etc etc..

quoted 1 line (i'm just coming to terms with how to hum along with drill n' bass)

>(i'm just coming to terms with how to hum along with drill n' bass)

easy - just connect a car battery to your tongue and shout the first thing that comes into your head. <waves> np - weathered well - locust