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i finally listened to a muslimgauze cd today. 'beyond the blue mosque' compilation. i have to say this one of the most amazing disc i've ever heard. especially the Return of Black September track. fucking ace. i ran to the counter and bought it immediately. question is.. what other muslimgauze stuff is worth checking out? all of it? what else is similar. blah blah blah. np. muslimgauze (duh). man, this is great. --- : wells oliver / s0ewoliv@titan.vcu : http://mute.simplenet.com

quoted 3 lines np. muslimgauze (duh).

> np. muslimgauze (duh). > > man, this is great.

I agree that muslimgauze does make pretty good music, but some people find it offensive due to his militant stance toward his 'enemies'. sig

Muslimgauze... His best work is whatever you can find on the Extreme label- very spooky, very sparse. However, I have a hard time getting fully behind him because of his radical politics. There's no lyrical content (at least on anything I've heard), but I'm a little uncomfortable buying an album with a title like "Hebron Massacre" (maybe just because I'm Jewish). I just hope he considers that some of that money in his pocket came from this Hebrew infidel. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

On 9 Feb 98, seth gordon wrote: Re: (idm) muslimgauze.:

quoted 2 lines However, I have a hard time getting fully behind him because of his

> However, I have a hard time getting fully behind him because of his > radical politics.

I must agree with this completely. However, my first taste of M/G came via a double remix album (Occupited Territories) on Staalplaat / Soleilmoon featuring Drome, zoviet*france, Panasonic, Zion Train, Human Beings among others. This is _excellent_ and has forced me to seek out other M/Gauze. One question : Mr. MuslimGauze appears to be "Bryn Jones". A name which suggests very strong Welsh connections. Does anybody know more about him and who he actually is, where he comes from and why he's gone for this persona? Thanks I * "Incomplete without surface noise" - Autechre

quoted 4 lines However, I have a hard time getting fully behind him because of his

>> However, I have a hard time getting fully behind him because of his >> radical politics. > >I must agree with this completely.

this is may be a case of closing the barn door too late. in his book "noise," jacques attali makes an argument that musical innovation is tied to the breaking of existing standards of what music is made of. transgressing barriers, while not always consciously aimed for, has propelled new styles of music into being as the old ways fail to adapt to what people require of the sounds they listen to and buy. breaking the rules is a political act whether anyone involved cares or not (as someone once said, the unintentional effects of an act are the ones that most intensely affect its long-term meaning), and attali also argues that the music that reflects this law-breaking constitutes a sonic model of society where those laws are dealt with in a different way or don't exist at all. this creates a situation where in every piece of music, a political stance can be mapped out that corresponds to the degrees and manner to which the composer engages the musical codes of their time. in this way, liking the music but not the musician's politics is playing a little game with yourself, because the music is politics (and religion) in sonic form. now, all of this is abstract and marxist, and the findings tend to be open to interpretation, but it is quite safe for home use. it can also be useful for the fanbois and -gurls out there, and not necessarily as a tool to figure out what _not_ to listen to. take a earful of (e.g.) terre thaemlitz' recent albums, and if the tones don't please you straight off, read the liner notes and maybe you'll be stimulated in a way that encourages you to listen more closely, and attempt to grasp the world that the composer is exposed to and is incorporating into their work. no one lives in a vacuum and a world of sound is what the musician is filtering for you into the grooves or pits (grooves _and_ pits if you're christian marclay :). eric onnow: scratch-pet-land(source)

On 10 Feb 98, eric hill wrote: (idm) m's and p's:

quoted 3 lines in his book "noise," jacques attali makes an argument that musical

> in his book "noise," jacques attali makes an argument that musical > innovation is tied to the breaking of existing standards of what > music is made of. transgressing barriers,

[ and more of the same for a good long while ] Maybe I just want pleasing sounds to wash my soul with. NOT innovation NOT breaking of existing standards NOT transgressing barriers Just PLEASE something enjoyable. Or relaxing. Or exciting. Or to shake my bones to. The very word "noise" as title for the book from which the thought process is taken says quite a lot. Noise does not always equal music. Well, not to my ears, it doesn't. (And yes, I do "hear what you're saying"). But just because someone promotes 'death to the infidels' doesn't make his music sound any better, now does it? I *

At 10:06 AM 2/10/98 +0200, Irene McC wrote:

quoted 8 lines One question : Mr. MuslimGauze appears to be "Bryn Jones". A name

> >One question : Mr. MuslimGauze appears to be "Bryn Jones". A name >which suggests very strong Welsh connections. Does anybody know more >about him and who he actually is, where he comes from and why he's >gone for this persona? > >Thanks >

check out http://www.compusmart.ab.ca/tbennett/Muslimgauze/muslim(N).htm. his real name is Bryn Jones and he's from Manchester. he is obsessed with politics of the middle east and supports the PLO a lot and constantly talks of the 'war' between the PLO and Israel, which is also the primary (if not only) source of musical inspiration. he's actually pretty interesting, and not as "horrible" as people make him out to be. --- : wells oliver / s0ewoliv@titan.vcu : http://mute.simplenet.com

quoted 3 lines From: wells <s0ewoliv@titan.vcu.edu> writes:

> From: wells <s0ewoliv@titan.vcu.edu> writes: > question is.. what other muslimgauze stuff is worth checking out? all of > it? what else is similar. blah blah blah.

A lot of Bryn Jones music is dodgy, and difficult listening for the beginner. I would recommend the following titles: "Izlamphobia" - 2CD set of hot rhythmic sound "Azzazin" (CD, not 10') - A bubbling lava of sound with no drums. Would have been better as an EP. "Infidel" EP - Worthwhile remixes from "Citadel" that will appeal to Orb & Orbital fans "Fatah Guerilla" - 3 CD set. The first CD is forgettable, but the other two will pique your interest. Paul Rafanello paulr@ucs.net

Greg Clow wrote:

quoted 13 lines Two nitpicks:

> > Two nitpicks: > > (1) In the (admittedly very few) interviews I've read with Bryn Jones of > Muslimgauze, he has never referred to the Jewish people as a whole, only > to the Israelis. There's a difference. > > (2) Arabs and Jews are both Semites, so "anti-Semitic" is not an > appropriate term to use in reference to Jones and his politics. > > Simply, then, Jones is not anti-Semitic, and he is not anti-Jew. He's > pro-Palestine and anti-Israel. >

i hate getting into all because i think the idm list is a piss-poor forum for talking about serious politics, but i can't let the above remarks stand. professing hatred for every single jew who lives in israel while tolerating jews who live elsewhere is a distinction without a difference. if someone said they wished every black person in america dead, would you so blithely respond that they're not racist because they're willing to leave the people in africa alone? being anti-israel is one thing (and i agree with much of the critique, if not all its particulars), but declaring worthless the lives of every single jewish citizen of the nation -- millions of them, from every corner of the globe, many of them refugees from arab countries who have more in common culturally with arabs than with american or european jews, some of them black, many of whom have devoted their lives to fighting the right-wing forces in israel, many of whom are survivors of the nazi's genocide -- saying that all these people can be grouped together as one indistinguishable mass who are legitimate targets for contmept and death, steps way over the line from radical political engagement to something that is distinguishable from racism only by pedantic nitpickers who are so impressed with their own hair-splitting ability that they can't think straight about much of anything except where they can go to pick up the latest boards of canada 12 inch. (imho, of course.) as for your sophistry about the term anti-semitism -- yes, arabs are semites, but the term "anti-semitism" has long been used as a term for hatred of jews (i don't know if it was a jew or a jew-hater who coined the term, and at this late date it's pretty irrelevant). if you've got a better term you'd like to try and work into the global discourse (anti-judaic?) i wish you luck in getting it adopted. meanwhile, we're stuck with that one, and since basically everyone knows how it's used, this controversy only comes up when a guilty party tries to dodge the charge of jew-hating by changing the subject. and by the way -- since modern biology has conclusively proved that blacks do not constitute a distinct, separate race (there are people in central africa who are genetically closer to scandinavians then they are to southern africans) i guess we can't call anyone a "racist" anymore either, can we? i look forward to seeing mr. clow's letter in my local paper complaining about a news story that describes aryan nation skinheads as "racist." just nitpicking, of course.

On Tue, 10 Feb 1998, jeff salamon wrote: <quoting my earlier post>

quoted 2 lines Simply, then, Jones is not anti-Semitic, and he is not anti-Jew. He's

> > Simply, then, Jones is not anti-Semitic, and he is not anti-Jew. He's > > pro-Palestine and anti-Israel.

I notice that you conveniently snipped the next paragraph in my post where I suggested that I don't feel that being anti-Israeli to the point that Jones appears to be is any more justified than being anti-Jew. (In fact, I find Jones' hatred for the Israeli people to be highly offensive, but that doesn't stop me from enjoying some of his music.) I guess leaving my post intact would've made your self-rightous rant pretty useless, though, so I can understand your selective editing.

quoted 7 lines and by the way -- since modern biology has conclusively proved that

> and by the way -- since modern biology has conclusively proved that > blacks do not constitute a distinct, separate race (there are people > in central africa who are genetically closer to scandinavians then > they are to southern africans) i guess we can't call anyone a "racist" > anymore either, can we? i look forward to seeing mr. clow's letter in > my local paper complaining about a news story that describes aryan > nation skinheads as "racist." just nitpicking, of course.

With all due respect - fuck off. Your insinuations that I am a racist, bigot and/or hate-monger are offensive and grossly unjustified. Greg

On Mon, 09 Feb 1998 17:10:26 -0500 wells <s0ewoliv@titan.vcu.edu> writes:

quoted 14 lines i finally listened to a muslimgauze cd today. 'beyond the blue mosque'

>i finally listened to a muslimgauze cd today. 'beyond the blue mosque' >compilation. i have to say this one of the most amazing disc i've ever >heard. especially the Return of Black September track. fucking ace. i >ran >to the counter and bought it immediately. > >question is.. what other muslimgauze stuff is worth checking out? all >of >it? what else is similar. blah blah blah. > >np. muslimgauze (duh). > >man, this is great. >---

personal muslimgauze top ten: (no particular order) hamas arc intifaxa deceiver uzi arab quarter return of black september salaam alekum bastard vote hezbollah occupied territories city of djinn prettty much covers all his "phases"...enjoy... tom w np: jefferson airplane 1967 _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

On Tue, 10 Feb 1998, [iso-8859-1] ?ivind [iso-8859-1] Ids? wrote:

quoted 5 lines I don't know...I think anyone who basically says that (the) jews deserve to

> I don't know...I think anyone who basically says that (the) jews deserve to > die is a pretty f*cked up human being. He seems very hate- and revengeful, > and although this may be "interesting" seen from a psychological > perspective, I find it very hard to excuse his hyper-militant approach > towards the Middle East.

Hmmm.. I made it a point to read several interviews with him, and nowhere does he support the killing of Jews. Perhaps he did say this, and if so, that's indeed fucked up and I wouldn't support him by the buying of his albums. From what I have read, he does seem to support militance. I disagree with his justification of violence, but he doesn't seem to be a violent person himself. He definately interests me from a psychological standpoint as well as an individual within the electronic/techno community actually _standing_ for some sort of political or philosophical view. That alone impresses me, because all too often this scene is polluted with indifference and ignorance (no personal attacks here, just a general impression that I get). Back to the Jewish thing. I'd be interested in seeing an interview where he speaks of his support of killing them. That would very much persuade me _not_ to buy any more of his albums, regardless of the musical merit.

quoted 9 lines Whether or not this should affect his musical status, though, is a

> > Whether or not this should affect his musical status, though, is a > completely different question. I think it should not. There are lots of > a*sholes making music, but that doesn't mean their music is bad per se. I > guess those cheerful blokes from Sex Pistols weren't exactly friendly and > polite and nice, but some people still think their music is "good", if that > is a term that applies to punk (personally I think S.P. sucks, but that's > irrelevant.) >

Well, being an asshole and being violently anti-Semetic are too different things. I wouldn't mind my money going to someone who simply a jerk (ie. Johnny Rotten), but I'd never want it to go to someone who supports the killing of Jews (or anyone else). I think it'd be a sad state of affairs if anyone else would. I need to look more into this guy... Any references towards particulary "frightening" quotes or interviews would be appreciated. - wells, stepping off his soapbox.

The following exchange is from a Muslimgauze interview at http://www.compusmart.ab.ca/tbennett/Muslimgauze/musarticles.htm. The language is quite strong so use discretion. "Eskhatos: They have erected a monument to Goldstein in Hebron. Muslimgauze: That just sums the whole people up. It's just a vile regime. Eskhatos: Last night a 14 year old boy with dynamite taped to his body rode his bicycle into a group of Israelis and blew himself up, killing several people... Muslimgauze: Those things will always happen until Palestine is Zionist free. There will always be legitimate targets. Eskhatos: Do you have complete animosity toward the state of Israel and its people or would you exempt certain Israelis that you might consider good people? Muslimgauze: No, I wouldn't. No, I wouldn't talk to any of them, the whole people are disgusting so no, I wouldn't. Just look at the record of what they've done, it's incredible. So I would not tolerate anything to do with Israel. I mean, its my opinion, a Manchester musician's point of view. I know other people will probably say I'm wrong and they won't support me but it's just what influences my music." I dunno but that statement seems like an endorsement of violence. In addition, its just a tad anti-Semitic.

quoted 36 lines Hmmm.. I made it a point to read several interviews with him, and nowhere

> >Hmmm.. I made it a point to read several interviews with him, and nowhere >does he support the killing of Jews. Perhaps he did say this, and if so, >that's indeed fucked up and I wouldn't support him by the buying of his >albums. From what I have read, he does seem to support militance. I >disagree with his justification of violence, but he doesn't seem to be a >violent person himself. He definately interests me from a psychological >standpoint as well as an individual within the electronic/techno community >actually _standing_ for some sort of political or philosophical view. That >alone impresses me, because all too often this scene is polluted with >indifference and ignorance (no personal attacks here, just a general >impression that I get). Back to the Jewish thing. I'd be interested in >seeing an interview where he speaks of his support of killing them. That >would very much persuade me _not_ to buy any more of his albums, >regardless of the musical merit. > >> >> Whether or not this should affect his musical status, though, is a >> completely different question. I think it should not. There are lots of >> a*sholes making music, but that doesn't mean their music is bad per se. I >> guess those cheerful blokes from Sex Pistols weren't exactly friendly and >> polite and nice, but some people still think their music is "good", if that >> is a term that applies to punk (personally I think S.P. sucks, but that's >> irrelevant.) >> > >Well, being an asshole and being violently anti-Semetic are too different >things. I wouldn't mind my money going to someone who simply a jerk (ie. >Johnny Rotten), but I'd never want it to go to someone who supports the >killing of Jews (or anyone else). I think it'd be a sad state of affairs >if anyone else would. > >I need to look more into this guy... Any references towards particulary >"frightening" quotes or interviews would be appreciated. > >- wells, stepping off his soapbox.

________________ Rodney Perkins mailto:rdperkins@earthlink.net

On Tue, 10 Feb 1998, Rodney Perkins wrote: <begin quote from Muslimgauze interview>

quoted 6 lines Eskhatos: Do you have complete animosity toward the state of

> Eskhatos: Do you have complete animosity toward the state of > Israel and its people or would you exempt certain Israelis that you > might consider good people? > > Muslimgauze: No, I wouldn't. No, I wouldn't talk to any of them, the whole > people are disgusting so no, I wouldn't.

<end quote from interview>

quoted 2 lines I dunno but that statement seems like an endorsement of violence. In

> I dunno but that statement seems like an endorsement of violence. In > addition, its just a tad anti-Semitic.

Two nitpicks: (1) In the (admittedly very few) interviews I've read with Bryn Jones of Muslimgauze, he has never referred to the Jewish people as a whole, only to the Israelis. There's a difference. (2) Arabs and Jews are both Semites, so "anti-Semitic" is not an appropriate term to use in reference to Jones and his politics. Simply, then, Jones is not anti-Semitic, and he is not anti-Jew. He's pro-Palestine and anti-Israel. Of course, I'm not suggesting that it's OK for him to wish for the destruction of the Israeli state and the people who call it home, but I just thought it should be clarified. Greg

My particular interpretation of Jones' statements leads me to believe that he harbors a deal of animosity towards the Israelis, who (by and large) are Jewish people. I believe that being anti-Zionist is not equal to being anti-Semitic* but that is my view. I'm sure you will find others who believe the opposite. I like Muslimgauze. I think the extremist stance is just part of the game. I can numerous interesting groups who have flirted with the "wrong" side of a political issue. I guess its a matter of how much you are willing to focus on the politics or the music. *Regardless of any dictionary defintion of "anti-Semite," the term is broadly applied to refer to anyone holding bias or prejudice against anyone Jewish.

quoted 17 lines (1) In the (admittedly very few) interviews I've read with Bryn Jones of

> >(1) In the (admittedly very few) interviews I've read with Bryn Jones of >Muslimgauze, he has never referred to the Jewish people as a whole, only >to the Israelis. There's a difference. > >(2) Arabs and Jews are both Semites, so "anti-Semitic" is not an >appropriate term to use in reference to Jones and his politics. > >Simply, then, Jones is not anti-Semitic, and he is not anti-Jew. He's >pro-Palestine and anti-Israel. > >Of course, I'm not suggesting that it's OK for him to wish for the >destruction of the Israeli state and the people who call it home, but I >just thought it should be clarified. > > >Greg

quoted 19 lines Two nitpicks:

> >Two nitpicks: > >(1) In the (admittedly very few) interviews I've read with Bryn Jones of >Muslimgauze, he has never referred to the Jewish people as a whole, only >to the Israelis. There's a difference. > >(2) Arabs and Jews are both Semites, so "anti-Semitic" is not an >appropriate term to use in reference to Jones and his politics. > >Simply, then, Jones is not anti-Semitic, and he is not anti-Jew. He's >pro-Palestine and anti-Israel. > >Of course, I'm not suggesting that it's OK for him to wish for the >destruction of the Israeli state and the people who call it home, but I >just thought it should be clarified. > > >Greg

--------------------------------------------------------- "Florentine Pogen" Rodney Perkins (mailto:rperkins@uh.edu) Texas Center for Superconductivity at the University of Houston (TCSUH) http://www.uh.edu/tcsuh

quoted 13 lines <end quote from interview>

> <end quote from interview> > > > I dunno but that statement seems like an endorsement of violence. In > > > addition, its just a tad anti-Semitic. > > Two nitpicks: > > (1) In the (admittedly very few) interviews I've read with Bryn Jones > of > Muslimgauze, he has never referred to the Jewish people as a whole, > only > to the Israelis. There's a difference.

there is definately a difference, however while he may not be strictly anti-semitic the statement : 'No, I wouldn't. No, I wouldn't talk to any of them, the whole people are disgusting' IMO is a facist stereotyping statement. However this doesnt give me the right to say his views are strictly 'good or bad'. Obviously advocating murder or the persecution of any race is not good, but i dont believe many of us on the list can get a decent perspective on the situation when we get our information from Sky, CNN, NBC etc. which are basically the machinery of western propaganda. Steve

At 02:07 PM 2/10/98 -0500, Greg Clow wrote:

quoted 2 lines Simply, then, Jones is not anti-Semitic, and he is not anti-Jew. He's

>Simply, then, Jones is not anti-Semitic, and he is not anti-Jew. He's >pro-Palestine and anti-Israel.

Good for him.

quoted 3 lines Of course, I'm not suggesting that it's OK for him to wish for the

>Of course, I'm not suggesting that it's OK for him to wish for the >destruction of the Israeli state and the people who call it home, but I >just thought it should be clarified.

Why not? Israel (heavily assisted by the Western world, of course) destroyed a perfectly good Arab state. If some foreign country kicked me out of my home (and homeland) and gave it to someone else, I'd be pretty pissed too. You can only push people so far before they fight back.

Lets try and keep the topic at hand to "music". If ppl wish to carry on in private, feel free. Thanks, Aran IDM-Owner

quoted 5 lines Well, being an asshole and being violently anti-Semetic are too different

>Well, being an asshole and being violently anti-Semetic are too different >things. I wouldn't mind my money going to someone who simply a jerk (ie. >Johnny Rotten), but I'd never want it to go to someone who supports the >killing of Jews (or anyone else). I think it'd be a sad state of affairs >if anyone else would.

So if for example Squarepusher is supporting killing Croatians, Jews, Brits or blah bla... you wouldn't buy his records & CDs and wouldn't listen to his music. That's total B.S. !!! First of all I really care only about person's music, he can be Croatian, lesbian, baseball player, necrofil, child raper, ... anything, just name it since he is wiriting brilliant music. It's really that simple, if you love music you don't care about persona of certain music maker. It doesn't matter if Tom J even makes his music, I don't give a fuck about him and his haircut, I just love his music... and that's what it is all about ! bye rob ---> Croatian ripper np: "com.2" phthalocyanine ---> the Croatian killers :-)

At 11:10 AM 2/11/98 +0100, robert.merlak@ri.tel.hr wrote:

quoted 12 lines So if for example Squarepusher is supporting killing Croatians,

> >So if for example Squarepusher is supporting killing Croatians, >Jews, Brits or blah bla... you wouldn't buy his records & CDs >and wouldn't listen to his music. That's total B.S. !!! >First of all I really care only about person's music, he can be Croatian, >lesbian, baseball player, necrofil, child raper, ... anything, just name it >since he is wiriting brilliant music. It's really that simple, if you love >music >you don't care about persona of certain music maker. It doesn't >matter if Tom J even makes his music, I don't give a fuck about him >and his haircut, I just love his music... and that's what it is all about ! >

that's a pretty sad viewpoint. you've got to realize that by buying people's music you're directly supporting them and any ideologies they posess. would you really want your money going to someone who supports the killing of Jews? would you buy a neo-Nazi techno compilation because it had _cool_ beats? i hope not. --- : wells oliver / s0ewoliv@titan.vcu : http://mute.simplenet.com

That's why you buy them used, so your money doesn't go to support such things :) Seriously though, I haven't heard much talk of paul shutze around here and as far as I'm concerned he writes some brilliant stuff. I started out with The Rapture of Metals, which is the second disc in the New Maps of Hell "series". Very nice (dare I say) "ambient". I'll give it a listen and maybe post a review. After hearing this disc I had to investigate, so I picked up New Maps of Hell (also very good) and Site Anubis. I cannot recommend Site Anubis enough! I beleive that it is a series of live sessions splice together after the fact. Very nice jazzy (dare I say it again) "ambient". If I could describe music, I would, but words fail me! I must write when it is fresh in my mind. I also picked up some in his "deux ex machina" series.. hasn't quite grabbed me in the same way, but they're growing on me. I saw an interview with him in Outburn magazine as well, maybe I'll post it.. --brett On Wed, 11 February 1998, at 12:35:51, wells wrote:

quoted 10 lines that's a pretty sad viewpoint. you've got to realize that by buying

> that's a pretty sad viewpoint. you've got to realize that by buying > people's music you're directly supporting them and any ideologies they > posess. would you really want your money going to someone who supports the > killing of Jews? would you buy a neo-Nazi techno compilation because it had > _cool_ beats? > > i hope not. > --- > : wells oliver / s0ewoliv@titan.vcu > : http://mute.simplenet.com

robert.merlak@ri.tel.hr wrote:

quoted 3 lines So if for example Squarepusher is supporting killing Croatians,

> So if for example Squarepusher is supporting killing Croatians, > Jews, Brits or blah bla... you wouldn't buy his records & CDs > and wouldn't listen to his music.

Correct. I would be missing out on some fantastic music, as I'm sure I am by not purchasing Muslimgauze CDs, but you know, I can live with that.

quoted 3 lines That's total B.S. !!! First of all I really care only about

> That's total B.S. !!! First of all I really care only about > person's music, he can be Croatian, lesbian, baseball player, > necrofil, child raper, ... anything, just name it

For you. If you want to close your eyes to the fact that you are putting money in the pocket of someone who wishes or does horrible things, that's your prerogative. For me personally, I can't actively support that. That said, I do own three CDs with Muslimgauze on them, all on incoming! Records. He did a track for their first Serenity Dub compilation, and has remixed Unitone HiFi and Nonplace Urban Field on their respective remix CDs. I wish he wasn't there, but I take comfort that most of the money I put into those CDs is going to other people whom I like very much. Is it hypocritical of me? Maybe, but I live with that, too. We all make difficult choices. -- Adam J Weitzman, Individual, Inc. (soon to be NewsEdge Corp.) -- http://www.individual.com http://www.newsedge.com "In skiing news, trees remained undefeated and untied." - Rick Reilly, Sports Illustrated