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quoted 1 line WHAT'S WRONG WITH THE _URMUR_ EPS ?

> WHAT'S WRONG WITH THE _URMUR_ EPS ?

why, they are a departure from mu-ziq's known sound...they therefore must be very bad! ;) chris graves _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

On Thursday, 22-Jan-98, chris r graves wrote [about (idm) bad urmur]:

quoted 1 line WHAT'S WRONG WITH THE _URMUR_ EPS ?

>> WHAT'S WRONG WITH THE _URMUR_ EPS ?

quoted 3 lines why, they are a departure from mu-ziq's known sound...they therefore must

>why, they are a departure from mu-ziq's known sound...they therefore must >be very bad! >;)

actually they are quite crappish.. Why is it that ppl like Mike & Richard can release such shit tracks if they want? I mean. I dunno what Mike thinks of his own Urmur Bile Trax but I think it's substandard. __ __\ \ / /_\ \ \_____/ www.freq-div.home.ml.org

On Thursday, 29-Jan-98, chip wrote [about Re: (idm) bad urmur]:

quoted 10 lines it's funny how true that is. i can listen to urmur every once in a while,

>it's funny how true that is. i can listen to urmur every once in a while, >but why the hell does the thing have to last 60+ minutes? the best tracks >are definitely the shortest. urmur bile just goes on and on... and on. >lunatic harness is soooo much better (although i still don't know what >the point of _wannabe_ is), and i think mike's best since tango. but he >can put out crap in between cause he has the mark of the trainspotter, or >something like that. i'm not trying to say that everything between tango >and lunatic is crap, but i don't think any of his stuff has a super good >listen all the way through, like autechre's stuff, which i can listen to >again and again and not have to skip tracks or look at the time.

yeah.. I agree, and I don't think that everything between Lunatic Harness and Tango are crap either.. I only think that Urmur Bile Trax is crap. And well.. I also think the Brace Yourself remix on Mealtime is crap, maybe I would think different if it weren't such a total ripoff of Squarepusher's A Journey to Reedham from Big Loada. Ripoff aside, that is definitely the worst piece of music I've ever heard in any genre. Being fans of certain musicians, we all make things that resemble the work of others, sometimes we release them, but it's not like this track is something that I can say is worth releasing. Recently a friend of mine sent a demo to Mike P. and then got a call back saying that the tracks are nice, but they aren't ready for release yet, but that music (at least IMHO) is WAY better than that track from Mealtime, and definitely as good as the other stuff that's out there. Of course the matter of opinion is here, and that is Mike's, but.. It just seems so stupid. I mean, is there anyone here who actually thinks that's a good track (brace yourself remix) ? please speak up :) but the issue of fame getting crap tracks released aside, I seriously hope that this is not the future of Mike's music. __ __\ \ / /_\ \ \_____/ www.freq-div.home.ml.org

quoted 4 lines Recently a friend of mine sent a demo to Mike P. and then got a call back

>Recently a friend of mine sent a demo to Mike P. and then got a call back >saying that the tracks are nice, but they aren't ready for release yet, but >that music (at least IMHO) is WAY better than that track from Mealtime, and >definitely as good as the other stuff that's out there.

i bet it isn't

quoted 3 lines Of course the matter of opinion is here, and that is Mike's, but.. It just

>Of course the matter of opinion is here, and that is Mike's, but.. It just >seems so stupid. I mean, is there anyone here who actually thinks that's a >good track (brace yourself remix) ? please speak up :)

yeah, i do. i don't know why, but i think it's a funny little goofy track, and i don't see why you would compare it to the reedham tune, it's really different.. unless of course you're talking about something stupid like the computer-game style tones. <waves> np - the dignity of labour - the human league

I'd like to add my thoughts to this debate, since it's one of the topics I feel I can constructively contribute to. Urmur (or Urmer?) Bile Trax is not crap. Very little of the music we discuss here is crap. Getting such radical music to affect us emotionally is not simple, and we all agree that Mike's earlier works succeeded in this. UBT I know is not crap because it has affected me in the way that good music does, and other people have commented how much they like it too. But that said, I admit I don't listen to it very often. OK some think that the release is too long and the ideas weak, but I think that music is magic and you can never have heard enough of it. UBT deserves its place in IDM and anyone who disagrees is being silly. As for the remix of Brace Yourself Jason, I rekon it's like what siliconvortex said below. My favourite thing about it is those echoey cheesy melodies that melt my heart every time. I can see this track not working if you've got the wrong state of mind, and think this can happen with a lot of Mike's work. -Ed Original text:

quoted 2 lines Recently a friend of mine sent a demo to Mike P. and then got a call back

>>Recently a friend of mine sent a demo to Mike P. and then got a call back >>saying that the tracks are nice, but they aren't ready for release yet,

but

quoted 1 line that music (at least IMHO) is WAY better than that track from Mealtime,

>>that music (at least IMHO) is WAY better than that track from Mealtime,

and

quoted 6 lines definitely as good as the other stuff that's out there.

>>definitely as good as the other stuff that's out there. > > >i bet it isn't > >>Of course the matter of opinion is here, and that is Mike's, but.. It

just

quoted 1 line seems so stupid. I mean, is there anyone here who actually thinks that's

>>seems so stupid. I mean, is there anyone here who actually thinks that's

a

quoted 3 lines good track (brace yourself remix) ? please speak up :)

>>good track (brace yourself remix) ? please speak up :) > >yeah, i do. i don't know why, but i think it's a funny little goofy

track,

quoted 2 lines and i don't see why you would compare it to the reedham tune, it's really

>and i don't see why you would compare it to the reedham tune, it's really >different.. unless of course you're talking about something stupid like

the

quoted 1 line computer-game style tones.

>computer-game style tones.

On Thursday, 29-Jan-98, Edward Pond wrote [about Re: (idm) bad urmur]:

quoted 5 lines As for the remix of Brace Yourself Jason, I rekon it's like what

>As for the remix of Brace Yourself Jason, I rekon it's like what >siliconvortex said below. My favourite thing about it is those echoey >cheesy melodies that melt my heart every time. I can see this track not >working if you've got the wrong state of mind, and think this can happen >with a lot of Mike's work.

yeah.. same here, but that melody is quite shitty imo __ __\ \ / /_\ \ \_____/ www.freq-div.home.ml.org

I agree that Urmur Bile is crappy and totally unfocussed. As I think I've said before, it just doesn't work for me, especially on a drum and bass level where the whole point is to make the breaks groove and the sound mesh together as a whole. Mike Ps attempts at drum and bass just sound a kid bashing tins, weak and sterile. It totally put me off buying Lunatic Harness, so I guess putting out dross could have some effect on the sales of the next record. At first I was interested that Mike was doing something other than trying to recreate tunes from Tango N Vectif 583 times under different names with pretty dire results which didn't hit the mark. But then I heard his 'new direction' and although it was certainly different, it wasn't really any good :-(

quoted 4 lines Recently a friend of mine sent a demo to Mike P. and then got a call back

> Recently a friend of mine sent a demo to Mike P. and then got a call back > saying that the tracks are nice, but they aren't ready for release yet, but > that music (at least IMHO) is WAY better than that track from Mealtime, and > definitely as good as the other stuff that's out there.

I was at mults site checking the Mu-Ziq interviews and reading about Mike talking about his label and how he wanted the quality threshold to be very high and wouldn't take any below par releases off any artists, previously signed or not. I pretty much agree that this *is* the way a label should be run (Rephlex take note) but it still felt a bit rich coming from someone whose level of quality control seriously lost it for a very very long period of time (of course, HE didn't have to put the work in promoting the buggers and dealing with all the shit, he just handed over the dat tapes!)

quoted 3 lines Of course the matter of opinion is here, and that is Mike's, but.. It just

> Of course the matter of opinion is here, and that is Mike's, but.. It just > seems so stupid. I mean, is there anyone here who actually thinks that's a > good track (brace yourself remix) ? please speak up :)

Dunno, if it's that one thats on the Internet EP, then the RAs I heard were much much better than Urmur Bile (a tune and a groovish beat) but I had my doubts about it staying that way the whole way though. Plus I haven't heard Lunatic Harness, so I can't comment on how good a 'remix' it is... gb. -- /TheW i http://www.homeusers.prestel.co.uk/lwtcdi/all/ f o L D o dlr WTC "Let's decompose and enjoy assembling!"