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Brett McCormick wrote:

quoted 4 lines the rather interesting version of dreamfish is different than the fax

> > the rather interesting version of dreamfish is different than the fax > "re-issue".. I like them both, although they're nothing spectacular > or anything.

Hmm! re-issue of the Original Dreamfish or dreamfish2 on rather interesting, are you sure it's not the re-issue on AmbientWorld ? I have dreamfish 1 on Rising High and I don't know how different it is from the original Fax issue ? -- Maximilien Lincourt, B. info., Software developer "Animate Hard. Change The World. Die Free." ToonBoom Technologies Inc. phone 514 278 86 66 7, Laurier East fax 514 278 26 66 Montreal, Canada mailto:max@toonboom.com H2T 1E4 http://www.toonboom.com

quoted 9 lines Brett McCormick wrote:

> Brett McCormick wrote: >> >> the rather interesting version of dreamfish is different than the fax >> "re-issue".. I like them both, although they're nothing spectacular >> or anything. > > Hmm! Re-issue of the Original Dreamfish or dreamfish2 on > rather interesting, are you sure it's not the re-issue on > AmbientWorld ?

Speaking of FAX re-issues in general ... (Charles are you listening?) I was looking through Charles' recent post on what's still orderable FAX-wise and noticed this Ambient World re-issues stuff. (After I spent several minutes vainly trying to un-braindamage the layout.) This begats the obvious question - and I hope it doesn't open a can of worms - why isn't there a re-issue of, say, Tetso Inoue's "Ambiant Otaku"? I keep hearing about this thing. How prices are really high for it, how it's limited edition, one of the better FAX issues, etc. etc. and that's why it goes for so much, blah blah ... Pardon my "Music wants to be Free" bent (guess all this MP3 collecting has gotten into my brain) but since there seems to be a lot of demand for it, and there are other titles in the FAX canon that have been re-issued, why not this one? I've half a mind to MP3-ize mine and put it up on the Web (a la the MASK 2 MP3 page that someone kindly put up), I mean sheesh ... <rant> I really think the biggest problem in the IDM/experimental techno/313/etc. world is lack of availability. I read posts on these lists all the time, and thousands upon thousands of releases are mentioned (heck, just collect about a week's worth of Lance's postings and that's at least a hundred records mentioned right there (-: ) that I - and I suspect most people - will NEVER get to hear even a small sliver of 'em. Personally, I think everything should be MP3'ized. "Home MP3'ing is Killing Music!" the labels cry. Bullshit. Yeah, like I really want to only be able to listen to music on my fucking computer with little powered speakers? Also, the only album I've downloaded from the Net in its entirety is CJ Bolland's "Analogue Theatre". Before that, I'd only heard "Sugar Is Sweeter" and had decided "Well, I guess I can skip this one". Gee, what do you know, the rest of it is *nothing* like "Sugar Is Sweeter" and you know what? When I saw it in a store, I bought the damned thing. So because I was able to hear it on the 'Net, CJ got a few more pennies in his pocket. OK, but not everyone has the same scruples as me, you protest. Maybe so. But the simple fact - in our genres, at least - is that this music does not get much distribution and it's damned hard to find, even though there's a LOT of it (Every week the Synaptics folks tell me there's 50, 75, up to 150 new releases they get in. How am I supposed to pick something to mail order from them when I have no way to hear any of it, a priori? So I don't. But I dropped $525 in Modern Music back in April, because I was there in the store and could *hear* stuff. Helllllooooo ... is anybody paying attention?) I've been mumbling about Internet music distribution being the Future Of Music on these lists for several years now. (Not claiming prescience here, just a rather obvious pathway due to familiarity with the technology.) It's about time the music was MORE ubiquitous, not the other way around. FAX titles changing hands for over US $100 or whatever while there's re-issues of other titles just seems really silly to me in this day and age. </rant> - Greg

quoted 9 lines I've been mumbling about Internet music distribution being the Future Of Music

> I've been mumbling about Internet music distribution being the Future Of Music > on these lists for several years now. (Not claiming prescience here, just a > rather obvious pathway due to familiarity with the technology.) It's about > time the music was MORE ubiquitous, not the other way around. FAX titles > changing hands for over US $100 or whatever while there's re-issues of other > titles just seems really silly to me in this day and age. > > - Greg >

You may be interested to know that an AT&T subsidiary is currently in talks with electronics manufacturers to introduce an "internet music device" next year. Not clear whether it's more of a technology demonstrator than a consumer product, though. Ashok

quoted 6 lines Speaking of FAX re-issues in general ... (Charles are you listening?)

> Speaking of FAX re-issues in general ... (Charles are you listening?) > This begats the obvious question - and I hope it doesn't open a can of worms - > why isn't there a re-issue of, say, Tetso Inoue's "Ambiant Otaku"? > I keep hearing about this thing. How prices are really high for it, how it's > limited edition, one of the better FAX issues, etc. etc. and that's why it > goes for so much, blah blah ...

I definitely agree with you on the issue of putting music up on the net, especially for hard-to-find/limited releases that are nowhere to be found. I think someone already has Otaku on their website, actually. I think it was at www.nethead.com.au/fax/ but i just checked it and only Namlook XII, Dark Side of the Moog VI, From Within III, Air III, Psychonavigation III, 2350 III, Create, and Organic Cloud excerpts are up there, so i could be wrong. I know i saw it somewhere. There was a big hullaballoo a while back on the ambient list about reissuing Otaku on ambient world, so searching the archives might also be helpful. no@h . . . . . . ..... . . . . . . byw|11a10ne|5e+mym|nd|nm0+|0n|+|5bythejv|ce0f5aefev++ha++h0vgh+5acqv|re5peed the1|p5acqv|re5+a|n5+he5+a|n5bec0meawarn|ng|+|5byw|11a10ne|5e+mym|nd|nmo+|0n . . . . . . ..... . . . . . .

Could very well be my mistake, I thought the fax re-issued the RI Dreamfish, not the earlier fax dreamfish, which explains why they're different. I know it isn't the ambient world release for sure. Neither one should be dreamfish 2 as there are no distinguishing marks. And the RI version I have has a rendered fish with excessive tye-die texture mapping, with the following tracks: school of fish, hymn, fishology, under water fax tracks: aquarium, caviar, submerge On Wed, 3 December 1997, at 16:30:16, Maximillien Lincourt wrote:

quoted 12 lines Brett McCormick wrote:

> Brett McCormick wrote: > > > > the rather interesting version of dreamfish is different than the fax > > "re-issue".. I like them both, although they're nothing spectacular > > or anything. > > Hmm! re-issue of the Original Dreamfish or dreamfish2 on > rather interesting, are you sure it's not the re-issue on > AmbientWorld ? > > I have dreamfish 1 on Rising High and I don't know how different > it is from the original Fax issue ?

quoted 11 lines Could very well be my mistake, I thought the fax re-issued the RI

> Could very well be my mistake, I thought the fax re-issued the RI > Dreamfish, not the earlier fax dreamfish, which explains why they're > different. I know it isn't the ambient world release for sure. > Neither one should be dreamfish 2 as there are no distinguishing > marks. > > And the RI version I have has a rendered fish with excessive tye-die > texture mapping, with the following tracks: > school of fish, hymn, fishology, under water > > fax tracks: aquarium, caviar, submerge

You say RI (Rather Interesting) but you mean RH (Rising High). Dreamfish was originally issued on Fax. Rising High reissued Dreamfish. You describe the RH re-issue above. It is out of print. Ambient World *also* re-issued Dreamfish later on. It is still available. The Fax CD you mention in your post is, in fact, Dreamfish 2, an entirely different recording. Hope this clears it up for ya. -- Adam J Weitzman -- Individual, Inc. -- http://www.individual.com -- "We need your fax number in order to respect your wishes not to send you unsolicited faxes." - A Microsoft registration screen

quoted 7 lines Could very well be my mistake, I thought the fax re-issued the RI

> > Could very well be my mistake, I thought the fax re-issued the RI > > Dreamfish, not the earlier fax dreamfish, which explains why they're > > different. > > And the RI version I have has a rendered fish with excessive tye-die > > texture mapping, with the following tracks: > > school of fish, hymn, fishology, under water > > fax tracks: aquarium, caviar, submerge

Couple things, there has never been a Dreamfish on RI, as RI is Atom Heart's label for his own solo releases and collaborations. Dreamfish is Pete Namlook and Mixmaster Morris. The tracks you list above are for Dreamfish II, the tracks for Dreamfish one are: School of Fish, Hymn, Fishology, and Underwater.

quoted 1 line You say RI (Rather Interesting) but you mean RH (Rising High).

> You say RI (Rather Interesting) but you mean RH (Rising High).

Yeah, 2 VERY different labels... ;) no@h . . . . . . ..... . . . . . . byw|11a10ne|5e+mym|nd|nm0+|0n|+|5bythejv|ce0f5aefev++ha++h0vgh+5acqv|re5peed the1|p5acqv|re5+a|n5+he5+a|n5bec0meawarn|ng|+|5byw|11a10ne|5e+mym|nd|nmo+|0n . . . . . . ..... . . . . . .

quoted 7 lines Dreamfish was originally issued on Fax.

> Dreamfish was originally issued on Fax. > Rising High reissued Dreamfish. You describe the RH re-issue above. It > is out of print. > Ambient World *also* re-issued Dreamfish later on. It is still available. > The Fax CD you mention in your post is, in fact, Dreamfish 2, an entirely > different recording. > Hope this clears it up for ya.