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1997-12-01 21:13Martin_Burbridge@3com.com>>> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 11:15:16 +0000 () From: "Nate Harrison \[Toshok Laboratories\]"

From:: <Martin_Burbridge@3com.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 16:13:42 -0500
Subject:: Re: (idm) Arcon 2 and other reviews

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Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 11:15:16 +0000 () From: "Nate Harrison \[Toshok Laboratories\]" <nate@toshoklabs.com> Subject: Re: (idm) Arcon 2 and other reviews <<<

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Degiorgio also applies the cut up technique, taken from dnb, to his drum loops, so that they sound almost 'live'. I find it interesting that it seems there is a trend in drum progrmming aesthetic these days that attempts to mimick live drums, like say Squarepusher, or perhaps the new 4Hero EP, or maybe Steve Pickton's latest stuff, or Plantary Folklore. I like it, because just when you have fallen into a groove, the artist will throw out a burst of snares or cymbals that clearly remind you *this is being electronically manipulated*. <<< i have been listening to this record quite a bit and definately enjoying it. this description of the drums sounding live w/ reminders of electronic manipulation is pretty spot-on. taking it further it is almost as if degiorgio has attempted to re-construct a mid-late '60's jazz sound w/ max roach (from a quick scan of the sleevenotes there was a definate name-check here, tho' i didn't delve into detail or context - sorry don't have it to hand fact-checkers) and pharoah sanders, and give it an ever so slight modern electronic edge. and here lies the niggle. why? i'm not convinced that what was revolutionary 30 years past can be much more than entertaining if reproduced today as an original work. and it is, entertaining that is and very well put together, oozing meticulous skill. but i can't see it causing an upset on the scale of ancestors like davis, sanders, coltrane..., or even contempories like squarepusher and the d*ill'n'b**s hordes. a bit of a puzzler really. -martin -btw- the digest #1369 i recieved consisted of - ??, and i'm quoting it in its entirety here. did the list server commit suicide as a result of the "what is idm" erm, discussion? did artificial intelligence advance to the point where software can now not only feel emotion but react to bleak despair? off list replies welcome. np squarepusher/burningn'n tree (now there's clarity and functional design. all the tracks are listed on both the box and the disc. my cd player even shows them on the display;-)

1997-12-01 23:24Aran M. ParilloOn Mon, 1 Dec 1997 Martin_Burbridge@3com.com wrote: > -btw- > the digest #1369 i recieved

From:: Aran M. Parillo <aran@hyperreal.org>
To:: <Martin_Burbridge@3com.com>
Cc:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 15:24:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject:: (idm) in-digestion (was: Arcon 2 and other reviews)
Reply to:: Re: (idm) Arcon 2 and other reviews

On Mon, 1 Dec 1997 Martin_Burbridge@3com.com wrote:

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> -btw- > the digest #1369 i recieved consisted of - ??, and i'm quoting it in its > entirety here. did the list server commit suicide as a result of the "what > is idm" erm, discussion? did artificial intelligence advance to the point > where software can now not only feel emotion but react to bleak despair?

:-) Hehehehe, thanks for the laff. Although I cannot comment on the content (or lack thereof) I can attest that my #1369 digest is in order. I can fwd it to you or any others who need. I cannot find anything strange about the digest, it's an average size etc. I noticed it was the first digest in December? reBTW: I might urge people *not* to tuck admin items away in BTW/PS's etc, as I often blow through a crowded inbox like Mills goes through his crates and may miss your important note(s). (read: if it's important, feel free to mail me directly @ aran@hyperreal.org) However it arrives though, I do appreciate people taking the time to point out when things go awry! Thankily, Teep Flanders IDM-owner

(idm) in-digestion (was: Arcon 2 and other reviews)