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Re: (idm) Re: idm V1 #1284

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1997-10-02 21:14Eric Hill (idm) Re: idm V1 #1284
└─ 1997-10-02 22:45Mark Kolmar Re: (idm) Re: idm V1 #1284
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1997-10-02 21:14Eric Hillearlier, idm wrote: >> ><< only because the four-on-the-floor bassdrum replicates the stru
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(idm) Re: idm V1 #1284
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earlier, idm wrote:
quoted 13 lines << only because the four-on-the-floor bassdrum replicates the structure of>> ><< only because the four-on-the-floor bassdrum replicates the structure of >> > totalitarian political organization! >> > >> >> >LOL....so house music is the propaganda of the Man, right? >> >> Presumably this is in reference to Stockhausen's comments on Plastikman >> and the Aphex Twin late in 1995. Check the list archives for more info. > >Much of the work of so-called "serious music" composers in the last few >decades goes through all sorts of contortions to -avoid- a discernible >pulse. They are trying to take music to what they consider the next >level, and a constant rhythm would be considered primeval rather than >transcendental. Thus, Stockhausen's comments.
except that karlheinz doesn't seem to like music very much. he seems to say that any identifiable repetition is bad. by inventing increasingly abstract structural formulas for his experiments, he makes a case for a nearly-formless ("non-metric and non-periodic") music. this reasoning directly maps the argument that four-on-the-floor tracks which sometimes use sixteenth notes are funky. anybody else catch the irony that stockhausen, a composer who received his musical training in third-reich germany, is brought up as the only argument against four on the floor? both karlheinz and fouronthefloor are the hymns of "either/or" thinkers. i love that "ice cream harmony" comment tho, it covers so much of what gets talked about on this list!
quoted 1 line carry on like that and i might nominate you for the nobel prize in>>>carry on like that and i might nominate you for the nobel prize in
claptrap. i thought i checked the "no" box when asked if i wanted the automatic selection sent to me from the "gonzi of the month club."
quoted 1 line reading this in a less drug-saturated state? care to explain your>>>reading this in a less drug-saturated state? care to explain your
reasoning? not to someone who won't explain theirs! oh, i forgot, it's against the house music laws to have reasons (messes with the saturation level of the drugs). eric onnow: +n : built (rather interesting)
1997-10-02 22:45Mark KolmarOn Thu, 2 Oct 1997, Eric Hill wrote: > earlier, idm wrote: > >> ><< only because the four-
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Thu, 2 Oct 1997 17:45:00 -0500 (CDT)
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Re: (idm) Re: idm V1 #1284
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On Thu, 2 Oct 1997, Eric Hill wrote:
quoted 12 lines earlier, idm wrote:> earlier, idm wrote: > >> ><< only because the four-on-the-floor bassdrum replicates the structure of > >> > totalitarian political organization! > >> Presumably this is in reference to Stockhausen's comments on Plastikman > >> and the Aphex Twin late in 1995. Check the list archives for more info. > > > >Much of the work of so-called "serious music" composers in the last few > >decades goes through all sorts of contortions to -avoid- a discernible > >pulse. > > except that karlheinz doesn't seem to like music very much. he seems to say > that any identifiable repetition is bad.
More important to his way of thinking: it's been done for hundreds of years.
quoted 3 lines by inventing increasingly abstract> by inventing increasingly abstract > structural formulas for his experiments, he makes a case for a > nearly-formless ("non-metric and non-periodic") music.
It's not "formless", but rather the form isn't built on the usual foundations.
quoted 1 line karlheinz and fouronthefloor are the hymns of "either/or" thinkers.> karlheinz and fouronthefloor are the hymns of "either/or" thinkers.
Yeah, that type of thinking drives me nuts. --Mark was playing: new acid-ish track (in progress), new d'n'b-ish track (completed), Oasis' 1st LP (vinyl), MP3 of recent track to test the server, Photek 12"es, Belle & Sebastian. will be playing: new Portishead, Al Comet, Brume. __ <http://www.xnet.com/~mkolmar/BurningRome> < MPEG & RA audio clips > m u s i c : w e b : s o u n d d e s i g n : h t m l : c g i : e t c