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1997-08-19 23:54Brock Suter (idm) 'Just' Spinning...(long)
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1997-08-19 23:54Brock SuterThis time, the topic is going to be... Artists: Live vs Spinning. I've stated that I didn'
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This time, the topic is going to be... Artists: Live vs Spinning. I've stated that I didn't give a shit about missing Talvin Singh because he was 'just spinning records'. This isn't the whole truth. I wouldn't have minded to hear him spin, but it really wasn't that important. I've seen a lot of artist spinning lately and noticed this: Most of them can't dj for shit, but they always play really good music, better in fact, then 90% of the dj's I've seen. And usually their sets are quite interesting. The reason for this is pretty obvious. If you like the styles of their original material, there's a good chance you might have similar tastes in other peoples music. Plus, they don't have years of experience doing the same old thing (ie: playing dance clubs), which makes them open to trying wacky shit more often. One example of this was the last ninja tour with Ollie, Amon Tobin, that Funky Porcini geezer and the rest of the ninja sophomores. Although none of them was very tight (by dj standards), I loved the shit they were playing. I'm sure every show they play, they get better. Most of these artists didn't have a background as a DJ, but they got thrown into a tour and had to figure it out really quick. Now the flip side of this, is Talvin Singh. I heard from an employee of Squaresoft (the company that threw the Grand Central Station party) that they paid him $12,000 and though he was going to play live. Well, he didn't. And from what I heard, he wasn't very impressive. One of the guys I do music with, who is an artist and not a DJ, said they he though both of the sets he saw (two different nights) were great. Other people I know, who are DJ's, said he was shit. I'd prefer to believe my friend, but little things he told me like: 'Talvin would let the record run out, light a cigarette, then put on another record.' and 'people would be dancing really hard then he'd turn off the turntable and let it spin down to nothing, then bring up the next record' and 'the first time he did it, I thought it was a mistake and he just didn't give a shit, but the second night, he did the same thing, so it was intentional, which makes it cool...' These comments lead me to think that Mr. Singh is either very arrogant or very inexperienced when it comes to djing a dance floor type environment. But who am I to make judgments? It's just that, if your going to spin, at least TRY to make it interesting, like Strictly Kev and PC or Morris... Which leads us to my point: I don't mind seeing artists spinning (since it's not always practical to play a live set), but I still like to see live acts, because it's usually quite different then someone playing the same records I have, not very well... peace out, brock out. ps. I don't have anything against people who shut off the power on the deck and let it spin down (I've done it), but IMHO, you can only do it once a night, not 5 times like Talvin did.
1997-08-20 00:43Random JunkBrock Suter writes: > I've seen a lot of artist spinning lately and noticed this: > > Most
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Brock Suter writes:
quoted 6 lines I've seen a lot of artist spinning lately and noticed this:> I've seen a lot of artist spinning lately and noticed this: > > Most of them can't dj for shit, but they always play really good music, > better in fact, then 90% of the dj's I've seen. > > And usually their sets are quite interesting.
there is a strange fear on the part of most DJs i know about doing anything that might be perceived as weird. it's like, throw down 90 minutes of straight 4 on the floor stuff that mixes together seamlessly. i don't know about you, but i find that to be utterly dull. i recently had a chance to do some tag-team DJ'ing with daum of freaky chakra at a benefit. a lot of people were only there for the performance so they cleared out once we got on the decks. but it was cool, we played a whole lot of weird shit that wouldn't ordinarily get aired, we didn't worry about perfect robotic beatmatching, and we had a blast. people danced too. (well, they stopped when i put on Senor Coconut, but that just shows that All People Except Me Are Stupid.)
quoted 5 lines One example of this was the last ninja tour with Ollie, Amon Tobin, that> One example of this was the last ninja tour with Ollie, Amon Tobin, that > Funky Porcini geezer and the rest of the ninja sophomores. > > Although none of them was very tight (by dj standards), I loved the shit > they were playing. I'm sure every show they play, they get better.
well now i don't know about "tightness"... the ninja guys are obviously extremely talented and versatile on the decks, but they come from the hip hop tradition which is a little more rough and ready. i guess i'm just a bit picky about the word "tight". they are tight, but not in the traditional smoothed out devoid of interest DJing that seems to be the norm.
quoted 2 lines 'Talvin would let the record run out, light a cigarette, then put on> 'Talvin would let the record run out, light a cigarette, then put on > another record.'
too bad. when i saw him in SF, he didn't beatmatch but he did smoothly segue from one record to the next.
quoted 4 lines I don't mind seeing artists spinning (since it's not always practical to> I don't mind seeing artists spinning (since it's not always practical to > play a live set), but I still like to see live acts, because it's > usually quite different then someone playing the same records I have, > not very well...
well, there's DJing and there's turntable artistry. any bozo can beatmatch two 4 on the floor records. the ninjas and the skratch piklz and the rest of the "battle" DJs use the turntables as deadly scratchnological weapons. i'd rather watch koala scratching madly and missing a few beats here and there than some attitudinal wanker with a cigarette dangling carelessly from his lip while he listlessly fades between two perfectly matched boring thump thump records. -- Jon Drukman jsd@gamespot.com SpotMedia Communications ...I was an infinitely hot and dense dot...
1997-08-20 02:10Brock SuterRandom Junk wrote: > there is a strange fear on the part of most DJs i know about doing >
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Random Junk wrote:
quoted 5 lines there is a strange fear on the part of most DJs i know about doing> there is a strange fear on the part of most DJs i know about doing > anything that might be perceived as weird. it's like, throw down 90 > minutes of straight 4 on the floor stuff that mixes together > seamlessly. i don't know about you, but i find that to be utterly > dull.
Yes jon, I find it dull as all get out too. But that's not really what I was referring to. I made the assumption that since I'm on IDM, people would know I'm not a house dj and I would be gauging these performances by IDM (read: weird) standards. I play everything imaginable, as do most of the people I hang out with. I LOVE mixing it up...I can't stand even 20 minutes of the same old beat thumping along at the same old tempo. But there is a right way to navigate through different styles, while maintaining a flow, some continuity between all the different moods and flavors, that brings it all together in a good set. It's a lot of work, takes tons of practice and doesn't ALWAYS come off right, but it CAN be done. The opposite of this is just playing records...Letting them run out (silence is cool!), turning off the power, etc. This is the easy way out...Anyone can do it. It takes a bit more thought and ability to make dissimilar records work together, in the mix. That was my point.
quoted 7 lines i recently had a chance to do some tag-team DJ'ing with daum of freaky> i recently had a chance to do some tag-team DJ'ing with daum of freaky > chakra at a benefit. a lot of people were only there for the > performance so they cleared out once we got on the decks. but it was > cool, we played a whole lot of weird shit that wouldn't ordinarily get > aired, we didn't worry about perfect robotic beatmatching, and we had > a blast. people danced too. (well, they stopped when i put on Senor > Coconut, but that just shows that All People Except Me Are Stupid.)
That's all good! I prefer to play non dance floor venues, like second (or third) rooms, coffee houses, and other experimental places, just for the fact that you have total freedom to do what ever you want. You don't have to keep people dancing, just keep them interested and entertained. It's really not just about beat matching. :-)
quoted 6 lines well now i don't know about "tightness"... the ninja guys are> well now i don't know about "tightness"... the ninja guys are > obviously extremely talented and versatile on the decks, but they come > from the hip hop tradition which is a little more rough and ready. > i guess i'm just a bit picky about the word "tight". they are tight, > but not in the traditional smoothed out devoid of interest DJing that > seems to be the norm.
When I say not being tight, I mean things that didn't sound right, like flying beats, sloppy scratching, lazy mixes. I'm not saying they sucked, because that's the farthest from the truth. I had a great time. I was just saying, that by a DJ's standards, their shit wasn't very 'tight'...but then again, neither am I (sometimes).
quoted 2 lines too bad. when i saw him in SF, he didn't beatmatch but he did> too bad. when i saw him in SF, he didn't beatmatch but he did > smoothly segue from one record to the next.
You guys must have worn him out for us! ;-) Actually, my friend said he thought he was just being lazy because (at the square party) there wasn't really very many people there. But he saw him the next night and Talvin did the same thing.
quoted 7 lines well, there's DJing and there's turntable artistry. any bozo can> well, there's DJing and there's turntable artistry. any bozo can > beatmatch two 4 on the floor records. the ninjas and the skratch > piklz and the rest of the "battle" DJs use the turntables as deadly > scratchnological weapons. i'd rather watch koala scratching madly and > missing a few beats here and there than some attitudinal wanker with a > cigarette dangling carelessly from his lip while he listlessly fades > between two perfectly matched boring thump thump records.
No argument here! peace out, brock. np: nothing again...