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Re: (idm) Re: idm V1 #1176

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1997-07-22 21:23Seofon (idm) Re: idm V1 #1176
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1997-07-22 21:23Seofon>oh, i don't know about that. i was reading the liner notes for "best >of techno vol 3" la
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quoted 12 lines oh, i don't know about that. i was reading the liner notes for "best>oh, i don't know about that. i was reading the liner notes for "best >of techno vol 3" last week (my officemate had it lying around and i >decided to trip on down memory lane... yucko. mostly old school >chipmunk breakbeat trax). it was saying how great it was that techno >was finally getting noticed, and cited the domestic pickups of praga >khan and messiah as the big events! we all know how well that turned >out, don't we. i also remember everyone saying back then that now >that messiah was mainstream that techno was all over, dead, forget it, >time to move on. i heard "temple of dreams" and "go" on the big >commercial modern rock station. now i'm hearing "firestarter" and >"cock suckin' beats". and you know what? there's still good music >happening if you know where to look. fancy that.
Well, as long as there's an industry there will always be an underground that's doing something more interesting. There's no light without shadow, no Laurel without Hardy ... Anyway, that's a good point ... before that, techno was totally underground, nobody knew who was doing the music, it was some of the more incredible shit you ever heard, and the DJ's ruled. Maybe techno didn't exactly die when Messiah etc. broke open, but that incarnation of it certainly did. It seemed to me that, for the most part, techno really got sapped of its energy, which was one of the cooler things about it. (On that note, I listened to Eon "Void Dweller" for the first time in a good while the other day ... to hell with electronica; that disc is the _bomb_.) Now the point I'm making it that that was when techno was still _techno_, and I think what's been troubling us all for the last few months is that it's obviously not anymore. The Chems and Prodigy can't fool me, man: they're rock & roll, the Prodigy more so ... they even scream "Rock & roll! We're rock & roll!" in their concerts. I think this is a different and altogether more serious thing than what you're referring to, although it is all part of the same progression. In fact, I think this one is altogether more interesting because techno rules don't apply anymore. Vocals?, sure! Guitars!, why not! Jumpin up and down and looking like (just) a fuckin idiot?, A-OK! That was the industry _releasing_ techno; this is the industry _shaping_ techno.
quoted 5 lines Admittedly, I have additional reasons>> Admittedly, I have additional reasons >> to be concerned about it, but still ... this is a serious thing ... the >> British invasion all over again. This is only the beginning. > >well i sure hope so...
Point being that American artists have to get with it, pronto-like.
quoted 3 lines since we were recently threading about having guns to your head. . .which>since we were recently threading about having guns to your head. . .which >is the single electronica album you would rather have a gun to your head >than admit to your friends that you actually love. . .
KLF "White Room" ... ? ::muffled hysterical laughter:: --Seofon
1997-07-22 21:43Random JunkSeofon writes: > Well, as long as there's an industry there will always be an underground
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Seofon writes:
quoted 3 lines Well, as long as there's an industry there will always be an underground> Well, as long as there's an industry there will always be an underground > that's doing something more interesting. There's no light without shadow, > no Laurel without Hardy ...
you got it, brother.
quoted 6 lines Anyway, that's a good point ... before that, techno was totally> Anyway, that's a good point ... before that, techno was totally > underground, nobody knew who was doing the music, it was some of the more > incredible shit you ever heard, and the DJ's ruled. Maybe techno didn't > exactly die when Messiah etc. broke open, but that incarnation of it > certainly did. It seemed to me that, for the most part, techno really got > sapped of its energy, which was one of the cooler things about it.
that, and it started to fall into mindless cliche. messiah's first single "there is no law" made my brain melt when i first heard it. then "temple of dreams" came out and boy howdy did it ever suck.
quoted 3 lines (On that note, I listened to Eon "Void Dweller" for the first time> (On that note, I listened to Eon "Void Dweller" for the first time > in a good while the other day ... to hell with electronica; that > disc is the _bomb_.)
oh yeah, i just love that album to death. his new stuff on electron industries is pretty amazing too.
quoted 5 lines Now the point I'm making it that that was when techno was still _techno_,> Now the point I'm making it that that was when techno was still _techno_, > and I think what's been troubling us all for the last few months is that > it's obviously not anymore. The Chems and Prodigy can't fool me, man: > they're rock & roll, the Prodigy more so ... they even scream "Rock & roll! > We're rock & roll!" in their concerts.
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quoted 2 lines That was the industry _releasing_ techno; this is the industry> That was the industry _releasing_ techno; this is the industry > _shaping_ techno.
i have doubts about the extent to which the industry can claim to have shaped techno... from my point of view, "firestarter" just sorta came out of nowhere. sure as hell took me by surprise. considering that "music for the jilted generation" really went nowhere over here, and in fact resulted in them getting dumped by Mute... maybe i just wasn't paying attention (wouldn't be the first time.) i think you're seeing a progression in the cases of the prodge/chembros which may be shaped by their experiences in the industry (ie: big labels say "wow, really liked that track with the rawkous geetarrzz, dudes") but to say that the industry is controlling it strikes me as a little paranoid. there are always going to be plenty of artists ready to sell out at the drop of a hat anyway.
quoted 1 line Point being that American artists have to get with it, pronto-like.> Point being that American artists have to get with it, pronto-like.
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1997-07-23 04:42ReZOn8oR@aol.comIn a message dated 97-07-22 22:57:41 EDT, you write: << Point being that American artists
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In a message dated 97-07-22 22:57:41 EDT, you write: << Point being that American artists have to get with it, pronto-like. >> Ok, so the Americans are still pretty far behind everyone else in this area, but I've also heard some Americans that I think really have a shot to be good if they keep getting better. (I'm thinking mainly of Scott Hardkiss & Rabbit in the Moon, but I'm sure there are a lot more I haven't heard). --Matt