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While I can't quite understand a lot of your intentions with this public post, I can only respond... in:re: Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 21:29:00 +0000 From: 0 <galaxey@earthlink.net> Subject: (idm) Re: idm V1 #1113

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quoted 1 line However, it * CAN* say a hell of a lot about the quality of your arguments

> However, it * CAN* say a hell of a lot about the quality of your arguments

quoted 3 lines BULLSHIT! what does knowing anything about *ME* have to do with a

>>BULLSHIT! what does knowing anything about *ME* have to do with a >>statement I make. >>It's the statement that counts, not me!

Actually, people make comments and voice opinions. Statements do not arise in and of themselves. While statements do count, statements count as representations of what an individual thinks. Part of what that individual thinks comes from who they are. This in many ways is determined by their collective and relative experience. This *can* have a lot to do with their age, what they do, whether they make or work directly with music, whether they are in the music business, and a pet peeve of mine...how much they listen to music other than IDM ( in the case of this list ) . I'm happy to know a bit about what people, reminder *people* do in relation to how they think and also in relation to the calibre of their comments. If I get into a list flameoff, its nice to know whether I am in discourse with a 18 year old guy/gal in the suburbs who pays a lot for CDs who sees few shows. Or someone my senior who has seen a hell of a lot more than me and is wiser through temporal experience alone. Similarly, if someone on a list is ranting and (pardon the pun ) raving over a certain IDM thread's relevance to say NIN or some other music form, its good to know whether that person is someone whose taste encompasses things beyond IDM. It puts it into a clearer perspective. Its also nice to know the extent of any listers experience with this music directly. For the d.j as artists thread: have you d.j.ed ever? For the what is IDM thread: do you make music? This does not put them in the seat of judgment. It just goes beyond the online humanity shield. Yes, I value words ( statements). I also value people. Maybe I'm a rarity 'round these parts.

quoted 3 lines Again, I can't stress this enough: its not about age, music collection,

> Again, I can't stress this enough: its not about age, music collection, > music making habits or career. However, it will certainly let us all know > where you *realy* stand in relation to your arguments.

quoted 3 lines If its not about age, music collection, etc, why ask it? Why should it matter

>>If its not about age, music collection, etc, why ask it? Why should it matter >>where you "REALLY" stand. If you argue and your argument is more reasonable >>(or in our case INTELLIGENT, *cough, cough*) than the last guy, then you win!

See above, and although I did use the term "ring" ( see below ) I regret the whole "winning" thing. I have far more of a real life than "winning" on line. In the case of the above statements I don't consider my argument(s) to be any more* reasonable* AND * intelligence * is relevant to so many things, again. and to quote you directly: "Why should it matter where you "REALLY" stand" is a most frightening thought to publically declare. In a sense, this kills your point(s) and takes you out of the winners circle. For someone to say, " its the statement that counts and not me" and also "Why should it matter where you REALLY stand" does suggest that your comments have no backing, such as a personal human perspective. In ***this*** bizarre world, comments are birthed wihout origin. I know that beneath our tags and our digital personas, there are real people. Call me crazy, I just know it.

quoted 3 lines I should have to disclose shit to the list just to show I know what I am

>>I should have to disclose shit to the list just to show I know what I am >>talking >>about. It is evident in what I say.

Totally agreed. It is evident in what you say. The choice of whether or not to disclose is yours. I don't make rules here. As my last post stressed, this was a suggestion. I would say, however, that there are a lot of listers who realy *don't* know what they are talking about. Its not my position to play God or list cop, so instead I suggested a resume of sorts so that we can learn more about where we stand in relation to *who we are* and *what we do*. It has nothing to do with better or worse, just who.

quoted 7 lines The flamers could respond: I don't see the point. Why should anyone know

> The flamers could respond: I don't see the point. Why should anyone know > about my private life? What does age have to do with it? Why should I own > anything more than my Aphex Twin and Orb records? Why should i make music > or d.j. to argue about music? What does my *job* have to do with it? > > nothing at all realy, its just nice to get a fighters *stats* before they > get in the ring.

quoted 5 lines guess you read my mind before I even read your post. If has nothing

>>guess you read my mind before I even read your post. If has nothing >>really at all >>to do with the sake of argument you just wasted all our time. You don't >>need stats, >>once you see Hagler in the ring you know he's gonna kick your ass, RUN!!!

sorry, who is Hagler? am I supposed to know? The reason it has nothing to do with argument is that I am more interested in seeing the relations, bakgrounds,experiences and relevant placements of list members, no matter *who* they are. Like who are *you* for instance? What is your experience and why are you the only person ( surely there must be more) who thinks I'm full of shit? Are you the kind of person that does't have a care about fellow list members and who they are as individuals in the IDM community? Arguing, even this, is what wates the time of IDMers. Comments like " If has nothing really at all to do with the sake of argument you just wasted all our time" begs my response: are we here solely to argue? I find arguing to be the most ridiculous endeavor that this and all lists go through. Discussion, yes. Even disagreement. But I don't think its the lists priority #1 to argue.

quoted 4 lines Same thing applies; is another list member just shot down your argument,

>>Same thing applies; is another list member just shot down your argument, >>tough shit >>buddy, you should know what you're talking about before you dish it out... >>just a counterpoint, not a flame

If this implies that you have just "won" an argument then uh, OK you WIN! Wooooo! All the winners gather round. It seems you're right about not needing to introduce oneself to a list so that you can say what you want and WIN arguments. As per your viewpoint, statements live without speakers. In this case, a "statement" that tells me that my argument was just shot down and tough shit....tells me a LOT about the writer. I did'nt need a background resume at all. You have said so much about yourself by the way that your statements speak for you. But back to the resume thing: email me privately, tell me more about yourself and the relationship you have with your autonomous "statements" and I'll write back, and if you're in NYC, we'll go out for sushi! Maybe then I can figure out why the "statements" of a total stranger jumped out to beat me down and "win" this "argument". I'm so wounded, maybe a jug of sake would help us out. bpm0@interport.net Peter Becker: Retail/Distribution Manager, DJ Pool *Asphodel Records* , PO Box 51, Chelsea Station, NY NY 10113 Phone # (212) 965-0265, FAX # (212) 965-0959 http://www.asphodel.com