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1997-05-06 04:15chris mello all. that mallen bloke wrote: > ok my two cents ... i am starting to get sick of the

From:: chris m <cj.marshall@virgin.net>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Mon, 05 May 1997 21:15:19 -0700
Subject:: (idm) Re: idm V1 #1097

ello all. that mallen bloke wrote:

quoted 7 lines ok my two cents ... i am starting to get sick of the dn'b label being

> ok my two cents ... i am starting to get sick of the dn'b label being > thrown about with all abandon ... but i still think that there is some > wonderful stuff being released (but just alot more crap too) the new > squarepusher is awesome ... i am eagerly awaiting the new > meatbeatmanifesto single for both jacks and luke viberts remixes ... these > are three groups that have consistantly put out very interesting and > extremly intelligent drum and bass

i agree with the first bit; it seems that anyone who samples/speeds up a breakbeat these days is immediately labelled as a drum n bass artist. IMO, a breakbeat is a necessary part of a drum and bass tune, but its nowhere near sufficient. i reckon squarepusher gets this dnb label purely because of the breakbeat sampling. fair enough, he may have had a go at some dnb (eg tundra), and he may use similar production techniques, but if you dropped anything from his latest album at a full-on dnb night, the dj would get some weird looks. i mean you dont call alex reece jazz just cos he sampled a bloody trumpet, or public enemy rock just cos they sampled a distorto-guitar. squarepusher isnt dnb. he makes all types of tunes, and gets unfairly pigeon-holed. HND is closer to jazz, if anything, cos it sounds like a band being castrated er orchestrated in a jazz kind of way. (solos, blues-scale melodies etc). but whats my opinion worth? dont take my word for it. as for "intelligent drum and bass", well, i just dont know what that means. as far as im concerned, i read "intelligent" as "theyve cut up the break in more places" ie intelligent is a silly name. i dont know, dont cross examine me, man. Mad Frankie tries it on:

quoted 5 lines I have this, recently bought, Squarepusher 12" "Crot EP" for sale.

> I have this, recently bought, Squarepusher 12" "Crot EP" for sale. > AFAIK it's limited to 150 copies or something (repress), in need > of fast bucks I'll sell it for 13UKP/24USD incl. postage and > package. Cardboard box will be used. No fucking bidding. :) > First come, first served.

dont bother paying this moronic amount of cashmoney for this. IT ISNT WORTH IT. if you really wanted fast bucks, try selling it for 6UKP, which is more than its worth anyway. good luck to you though, some dickhed might pay this for it (sucker). i used my copy as an ashtray, bidding starts now. tada chris m

1997-05-13 22:05mallenOn Mon, 5 May 1997, chris m wrote: > ello all. > as for "intelligent drum and bass", well,

From:: mallen <annwn@zipcon.net>
To:: chris m <cj.marshall@virgin.net>
Cc:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Tue, 13 May 1997 15:05:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject:: Re: (idm) Re: idm V1 #1097
Reply to:: (idm) Re: idm V1 #1097

On Mon, 5 May 1997, chris m wrote:

quoted 5 lines ello all.

> ello all. > as for "intelligent drum and bass", well, i just dont know what that > means. as far as im concerned, i read "intelligent" as "theyve cut up the > break in more places" ie intelligent is a silly name. i dont know, dont > cross examine me, man.

what i mean by intelligent (maybe i should have just used well thought out instead of intelligent) is that its not just some sped up drum loop with an anemic wash of synths over it ... what alot of what im hearing sounds like ... with alot of people jumping on the drumnbass wagon or jungle wagon or whatever the media wants to call it ... what i have enjoed recently has been songs like plug's life of the mind on drum and bass for papa ... a song with a structure and with depth ... and multi layers of meaning ... not just some dribble that people will dance to just cuz someone calls it drum and bass ... . annwn . .

1997-05-14 14:29Kent WilliamsA friend (who may step forward and identify himself if he wishes) said the other day "ever

From:: Kent Williams <kent@inav.net>
To:: intelligent dance <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Wed, 14 May 1997 09:29:28 -0500 (CDT)
Subject:: (idm) d&b & Amon Tobin
Reply to:: Re: (idm) Re: idm V1 #1097

A friend (who may step forward and identify himself if he wishes) said the other day "ever notice that a lot of drum and bass is just an opportunity to re-use all those crappy M1 pads?" (M1 being Korg M1, a popular digital keyboard, whose factory presets are still splattered on TV Commercials, Porno films, and low rent TV soundtrack music) As a counter example of what D&B can be, check out Amon Tobin (aka Cujo) the EP "Chomp Samba." What I find especially cool about this EP, aside from slamming together sped up latin drumming with hints of the Amen break, is the way that Tobin appropriates the Ed Rush/Nico 'dark/hard' style and gives it a lot more texture and color. It's almost as though the guy listened to Panacea and a bunch of Torque records and said "right then, lets show them how to do it proper." This is the Ninja Tune ZenCDS 53: 1. Chomp Samba 2. Creatures (Hidden Agenda Defocused Mix) 3. Shiny Things* 4. Daytrip *(great use of snare break, great acoustic bass & piano sample) --------------------------------------------------------------------- Kent Williams kent@inav.net -- http://soli.inav.net/~kent

1997-05-14 20:28CheOn Tue, 13 May 1997, mallen wrote: > On Mon, 5 May 1997, chris m wrote: > > > ello all. >

From:: Che <zeus8@synthcom.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Wed, 14 May 1997 20:28:04 +0000 ()
Subject:: "intelligent" Re: (idm) Re: idm V1 #1097
Reply to:: Re: (idm) Re: idm V1 #1097

On Tue, 13 May 1997, mallen wrote:

quoted 17 lines On Mon, 5 May 1997, chris m wrote:

> On Mon, 5 May 1997, chris m wrote: > > > ello all. > > as for "intelligent drum and bass", well, i just dont know what that > > means. as far as im concerned, i read "intelligent" as "theyve cut up the > > break in more places" ie intelligent is a silly name. i dont know, dont > > cross examine me, man. > > what i mean by intelligent (maybe i should have just used well thought out > instead of intelligent) is that its not just some sped up drum loop with > an anemic wash of synths over it ... what alot of what im hearing sounds > like ... with alot of people jumping on the drumnbass wagon or jungle > wagon or whatever the media wants to call it ... what i have enjoed > recently has been songs like plug's life of the mind on drum and bass for > papa ... a song with a structure and with depth ... and multi layers of > meaning ... not just some dribble that people will dance to just cuz > someone calls it drum and bass ...

What I mean by intelligent is being able to assign a meaningful Subject: line to an email - obviously not you two's forte. The whole "I Hate The Intelligent Label" debate has been done to death - give it a rest. Che

(idm) d&b & Amon Tobin