Before I take this to another irrelevant place that should'nt waste IDM's time,
I will clarify and correct for the sake of education:
I apologize in advance to IDM for breaking the subject(s), but I refuse to
remain
silent until an issue is resolved.
CAN ALL POSTS TO FOLLOW ON THIS SUBJECT PLEASE BE POSTED TO ME PRIVATELY?
WE ( YES, ME INCLUDED! ) ARE WASTING ALL OF IDM'S TIME WITH THIS
THREAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
in re:
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Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 10:41:30 -0400
From: Chris Fahey <chris@wanderlust.com>
Subject: RE: (idm) Genesis P.Orridge
From what I understand, Gen was part of some kind of serious
crypto-fascist movement, if only on the fringes. The kind of scene where
the far right intersects with the radical bohemian lifestyle, hating
society so much that you want to impose your own absurd order on it.
"Betray knowledge of the obscenity of violence?" I don't know the whole
scene all to well, but this seems a little generous. Correct me if I'm
wrong, but anyone who chooses to hang out with Boyd Rice doesn't deserve
my generosity.
If you're saying he *wouldn't* fight because he just plain *couldn't*
fight, well, I doubt that too. Although Gen is a scrawny wimpy mofo,
I've found that being being unable to fight doesn't preclude you from
wanting to pick fights.
- -CF
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I am very glad that you honestly stated "I don't know the scene all too well".
At least this gives us some background. If you look at my original
posting, you will
see that I was putting the TG/Genesis thing out as a parallel to an IDM related
discussion concerning copywright. As with many threads on this list, the
tangents
are birthed and then the game of telephone begins. Now I'm having to stand
up for ideas
concerning Genesis P Orridge?...on IDM? Oh well, I'm not suprised. This
was the hotbed
of Marylyn Manson blather, why not TG?
Two points for educations sake: Again, thanks for stating your lack of
"scene knowledge".
Firstly,
Genesis and Boyd Rice chose to "hang out" and were friends some 10-18 years ago,
Though I cannot tell you the exact date(s) when their friendships were
severed, I can say that
it was A LONG FUCKING TIME AGO! I would make an educated guess that their
friendships
were on the way out when Boyd's visions/politics/aesthetics were further
and further pushing towards
a serious embrace of racism, facism, and violence ( though the roots of
this go way back ).
So...please know that Boyd and Gen are not goose stepping together nowadays.
And, anyone who chooses to hang out with Boyd Rice does not deserve *MY*
generosity either.
As times have changed and so have people ( including Gen ) I have not
written him off my
generosity list.
Secondly,
my quote : "My knowledge of Genesis is that he has accute knowledge of the
psychology
of violence and its obscenity and would never, ever betray that knowledge."
I still stand behind this.
If anyone has thoroughly understood the absurdity and obscenity of
violence, it is he. By facing the issue
of violence through a concentration of it's horror, he has done what few
artists/musicians have done...to challenge and understand it as opposed to
merely emulate it's spectacle ( like the generation of Industrial artists
that have
followed in his footsteps.)
As far as fighting goes, geez. I realy don't know how to further postulate
the fighting abilities of
Genesis P Orridge. Remember my original post? This was rooted in a
British music industry rumor!
I realy just don't have the time or interest to defend this one.
And, if you don't know the scene all too well, then what makes you so angry
about Genesis?
"A scrawny, wimpy, mofo"?? This is some heated language.
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