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1997-05-03 04:11Sean Cooper (idm) gman's beef (long)
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1997-05-04 02:20objet @ Re: (idm) gman's used beef (long)
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1997-05-03 04:11Sean Cooperit never ceases to amaze me (idiot! idiot!) how far into the territories of judgement peop
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it never ceases to amaze me (idiot! idiot!) how far into the territories of judgement people will venture on topics they appear to know little about. indeed, it would seem a good 60-80 percent of the posts on this list which deal in some way with the interaction between economics, the music industry, and popular culture usually involve buckets of naive assumptions about the Way Things Are, why Things Are The Way They Are, how They got That Way, and whose interests are being served in the offing... i won't go into my evolving analysis on the historicity of capitalism, the last three hundred years of the western world's relationship with avant-garde and/or subcultural artistic movements, and its ceaseless and hyperrational dialectic of absorption, exhaustion, and revitalization because i fear it would either fall on deaf ears or offend too many with its pretentiousness...i will however say that, as someone who has worked on both sides of the commercial fence in the american music industry, what gman speaks rings sharply of truth. make no mistake, it is very, very difficult to try and cover, promote, support, etc. the types of artists that excite the passions of the members of this list within the context of the music industry in its conventional form (including retail stores, distribution companies, print and broadcast media, etc.) because they evade and transgress the commercial logic of the american music industry, a logic which continues to (by and large...minus your orbs, chemical brothers', and future sound of londons, etc.) serve the interests of just about everyone except the musicians; a logic whose shape, rhythm, and consistency continue to be set by very large, very powerful (read: rich) corporations for whom music and the cultures that produce them are merely varying means to a very specific, very static end: money. this is not paranoia or conspiracy, this is simply (and regrettably) fact. i've worked with major record labels, i've worked with large distributors, i've worked with radio people, i've worked with rolling stone...these people and the agendas they bring to bear on the cultural forms from which they profit have very little (if anything at all) to do with music or the love thereof--their business models demand it. while they pay lip service to it on the occasions of their self-congratulatory anniversary issues, the obituaries of the icons that have served them so well, and the inserts and special issues on "grunge," "women in rock" and (most recently) "electronica," the fact is their economic health and ongoing profitability absolutely rely on the degree to which they can maintain a wholly plastic and affected parallelism between "what people listen to" and "what they [stores, magazines, mtv, etc.] cover/carry/promote," a parallelism whose hidden, mediating term is none other than the decisions, marketing budgets, and short-term cost/benefit analyses (surprise!) planted there by the industry's profit-driven engines in the first place. this is a very efficient, handy set-up, not least because it absolves everyone involved of the responsibility of being critical, simultaneously providing consumers for retail outlets and giving media outlets explanatory power and critical legitimacy (geffen's 1996 marketing plan: "...we're going to sign and promote more female artists because there seems to be a market forming around this category of cultural production"; rolling stone's 1996 special issue: "1996: Year Of The Woman," etc). the results of this arrangement--a vast network of equivalences taking such forms as ["this is what we think will sell" = "this is what people are buying" = "this is what people like" = "this is what we should sign/promote/review more of"]--easily explains any number of phenomena in the recent history of the popular cultural industry's various offshoots (from television and film right down to the sneaker pimps and hooverphonic). unfortunately, that absolution of criticality also has the potentially upsetting effect of implicating one in the entire disgusting parade. (for example, ever wonder why the ironically self-depricating mythos of "selling out," "corporate rock," etc. began showing up in major media outlets simultaneous with the latter stages of advancement of indie-appropriation [sonic youth, nirvana, sub pop, matador, interscope, etc.], precisely at the moment when the industry had already deconstructed the binary that gave rise to those concepts in the first place?). at the risk of psychologizing, the music industry works from the same principle of cognitive dissonance as the rest of us, and this in mind, the mappings of its various stages of evolution become transparent to those willing to study the threads which constitute the complex weave of its history. but what is the alternative? how can one build an opposing paradigm on an economic landscape one of the most advanced and developed attributes of which is the absorption and reinscription of its own contradictions, its own "others" (blues, punk, hip-hop, women, techno, etc.)? this is a very, very hard question to answer, and one which contines to inspire new, exciting forms of cultural resistence (jungle, post-rave electronica, etc.). but the jury is very far from in on how to resist its logic without merely opposing it. and personally, i applaud those who incessantly bloody their foreheads against the walls of the establishment music industry, from plus 8, skam, and silent, to under one sky, retina, and immerse, if for no other reason than the provide the fertile soil through which the mythic "underground" carries the music forward. and neither do i subscribe to any simplistic binary of indie = good, major = bad. each have their strengths (and therefore weeknesses) and each contain their exemplaries (and, as well, their devils). but i urge others to recognize the stakes involved in these interrelationships and the conflicting, competing values they bring into play, and to not simply cast off the criticism of those in a position to relay valuable, important experiences as so much bias and self-interest. the world's a big place, people, and its nowhere near as simple as you think. sc onnow: the orb : orbscure trax (a 70+-minute promo cd offered this week by island records simultaneously to spur waning sales of _orblivion_ and thereby promote the group's upcoming us tour, with the predictable effect of urging existing fans of the group who already bought the record when it came out over two months ago to buy yet another copy of it)
1997-05-03 05:32gman2@sprynet.comi talked to the folks at AP today, and their reason for why _Feed Me Weird Things_ was not
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i talked to the folks at AP today, and their reason for why _Feed Me Weird Things_ was not covered was (this is from the horses' mouths, folks) that there was no definitive distributor info for the Squarepusher record. apparently the magazine can't simply put "Rephlex, POB 2676.... UK" after the review. they informed me that the new Squarepusher album on Warp is actually the lead-review for issue #108. . . make of this information what you will. i won't editorialize. GuerillaG2-G4/ gg
1997-05-04 02:20objet @Whoa! Massive deluge of textual vomito negro! Gotta purge the system once in a while, I su
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Whoa! Massive deluge of textual vomito negro! Gotta purge the system once in a while, I suppose...
quoted 6 lines i urge others to recognize the stakes involved in these> i urge others to recognize the stakes involved in these > interrelationships and the conflicting, competing values they bring into > play, and to not simply cast off the criticism of those in a position to > relay valuable, important experiences as so much bias and self-interest. > the world's a big place, people, and its nowhere near as simple as you > think.
I agree with the majority of the arguments, but the sanctimonious mood remains contradictory. "Nowhere as simple as *WE* think," inclusive of the author -- maybe that would have sold this bridge. Right on with the Orb-promo-ironizing, tho. (Paging Warp...um...Ae?...) sr -- sd np: andrea parker