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quoted 1 line ROWLAND ATKINSON <R.G.Atkinson@greenwich.ac.uk> wrote....

>ROWLAND ATKINSON <R.G.Atkinson@greenwich.ac.uk> wrote....

quoted 8 lines the underground is constantly moving - but sometimes it gets boring

> the underground is constantly moving - but sometimes it gets boring > trying to keep up!:) Q: if we stay on IDM forever do we follow > that underground...or not? > cheers > r > > >

I think it really comes down to why someone listens to electronic music (of any kind). If it just cause it's the new fad, or because they truly love it. It has nothing to do with someone being more "underground" than another. I wasn't saying that everyone on the IDM list is automatically "underground". Writing and listening to electronic music to me has alwalys been a release, a vehicle for channeling all the shit that's swilrling around in my head. Regardless of whether it becomes the next big thing or not, I'll be composing and listening to it till I'm gone. James Bernard

At 09:50 02/05/97 -0400, you wrote:

quoted 2 lines As long as all of the music that I hold dear is NEVER on

>As long as all of the music that I hold dear is NEVER on >the top 40 charts, I'll be happy.

I have to admit I more or less feel the same way. maybe not for the same reason. if what goes for underground now (stasis? aphex? fsol?) became chart fodder i would probably kick myself and go out there to find what is happening again in the underground, after all, that is where the innovation takes place. of course this is a hypothetical situation because really, i don't think it will *ever* happen

quoted 1 line But for now, let's sit back and enjoy the ride.

>But for now, let's sit back and enjoy the ride.

Or get off before the track runs out? whatever, just enjoy the music. you can be sure that if the time comes when richard james is vying with luke vibert for column space in smash hits, there will be something out there on 500-limited white label that kicks the arse of both of them.. keep your ear to the ground and you'll hear what's going on below, that's about as good a piece of advice as i can give at this moment in time np - neocortex - sensurreal ~~~ Through universes of worlds of shadows, S G the subconscious geography remains a constant. ~~~ Makyo 622AD

quoted 6 lines Writing and listening to electronic music to me has alwalys been a release, a

> Writing and listening to electronic music to me has alwalys been a release, a >vehicle for channeling all the shit that's swilrling around in my head. >Regardless of whether it becomes the next big thing or not, I'll be composing >and listening to it till I'm gone. > >James Bernard

rock on! beautifully said... meredith-oooooooooooooooo http://lonestar.texas.net/~xiphoid

On Fri, 2 May 1997 "Jim Bernard"<jim_bernard@korgusa.com> said:

quoted 1 line It seems that this situation is stirring up some deep emotions in a lot

> It seems that this situation is stirring up some deep emotions in a lot

of us.

quoted 1 line With the advent of "electronica" becoming the next big thing, it's only

> With the advent of "electronica" becoming the next big thing, it's only

a

quoted 1 line matter of time until some of the music that we hold so dear is accepted

> matter of time until some of the music that we hold so dear is accepted

by the

quoted 1 line masses, chewed up, and spit out.

> masses, chewed up, and spit out.

Why would it be a bad thing for "the masses" to ge a taste of some really powerful and innovative music being created worldwide? I think if "they" actually got a chance to hear it, "they'd" take it as a treat of their aural pallates and ask for more instead of spitting it out. I think that would be a lot better for "them" -- instead of continuing to be passive consumers of whatever MTV and the corporate-music-sound-machine wants "them" to be. Hey, it might even inspire people to make their own music and not just tune in to whatever the media marketed for them.

quoted 1 line As with every other trend, there will be certain artists who will get

> As with every other trend, there will be certain artists who will get

all > the hype/press and will either continue to make good music or implode from > the pressure of fame. I think a good musician is a good musician. Period. If you are true to yourself and to your music, you'll cotinue to grow. If you are a money-making-sound- machine first and a musician second, then that greed will shine through in what you make. Disposable music.

quoted 1 line But I strongly feel that the underground scene (us) will continue on as

> But I strongly feel that the underground scene (us) will continue on as

is. Face > it kids, once the media has it claws in something they think is "cool" for the > moment, things can only get ugly. Why? If you want music to expand and be innovative, then the more people that listen to it the better.

quoted 1 line As long as all of the music that I hold dear is NEVER on the top 40

> As long as all of the music that I hold dear is NEVER on the top 40

charts, I'll > be happy. I wish the music I love was on the top forty charts. That to me would mean that enough people bought some really good music for a change. As opposed to the new marketing act released by Columbia House. Lazy people eat what they are fed. If BMG wants to tap into the rap/hip hop market and target it to a white audience, what do they put together? Vanilla Ice. If smaller labels could get their product to be heard by more people, there would be more of a variety. People enjoy music and if "they" had a choice between Milli Vanilli and Funki Porcini, they would probably chose what "THEY" liked best. At least they had the option. Why keep all this good music to ourselves?

quoted 1 line But for now, let's sit back and enjoy the ride.

> But for now, let's sit back and enjoy the ride.

...and unleash the inensity of electronic music unto the world's airwaves. Take care James, Pedro Cevallos -- "It takes only one person to change your life -- you." -- Ruth Casey --

quoted 9 lines As long as all of the music that I hold dear is NEVER on

> >As long as all of the music that I hold dear is NEVER on > >the top 40 charts, I'll be happy. > > I have to admit I more or less feel the same way. maybe not for the same > reason. if what goes for underground now (stasis? aphex? fsol?) became > chart fodder i would probably kick myself and go out there to find what is > happening again in the underground, after all, that is where the innovation > takes place. of course this is a hypothetical situation because really, i > don't think it will *ever* happen

But fsol ARE chart fodder. At least in the UK. Nick

At 10:17 06/05/97 GMT0BST, you wrote:

quoted 1 line But fsol ARE chart fodder. At least in the UK.

>But fsol ARE chart fodder. At least in the UK.

so you don't think there's a difference between 'in the charts' and chart fodder? maybe not! i liked the second half of dead cities but i think it's their worst LP. and i thought the explosive single was execrable, so at least it supports my theory to me. but there is a difference between being chart fodder and simply having something in the charts, surely? great records get in the charts, yes - 'in your hearts not the charts' is a pompous statement for sure. 808 state made great records that got in the top 10, and aphex and fsol have been there before. but 808 state fell to the wayside, and fsol might do the same thing if they wander down this hard-breakbeat industro-plop path. aphex hit back though, with mind-blowing originality that no commercial radio station this side of venus would ever play, and he always remembers to take the piss in interviews, so that nasty invention called the top 40 isn't always the kiss of death. hopefully! Cheerio! NP - Designs For Sonic Revolution - Underground Resistance ~~~ Through universes of worlds of shadows, S G the subconscious geography remains constant. ~~~ Makyo 622AD